Building a house suggestions

BigClay

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I am starting the preliminary phase of gathering information in home construction. I am not talking about a remote that controls the lights, tv, blinds, coffee maker. I am talking about 2x4 vs 2x6 wall studs, cast iron drain pipes vs plastic, is copper or tin flashing worth it, types of HVAC, things like that.

So what have you done, or would you like to have done, or have you done to make the contruction of your house better?

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it all depends on the house you are building. If you are building a 1200 sf starter home, you don't need 2x6 walls, cast drains or copper flashing.

If the house is going to be a "custom" home and of decent value and size, I'd consider the 2x6 studs, cast drains and copper flashing.

some homes are made to look really nice but use cheap products. If you want your home to look nice and have nice products, it'll cost some more. But, it'll be more valuable. Problem is, if you sell, you have to find the buyer that will understand this.

Many spec homes are nice, big, new, and look NICE. But, many use cheap products to give the expensive look. (i.e., hollow doors vs. solid, 1/2 sheetrock versus 5/8, 2x4 walls over 2x6, cheap HVAC systems, poor insulation, cheap roofs, etc.)

If I were to rebuild the house I have now...

I'd have cast drain pipes, but this is really only advantageous if you have restrooms on the 2nd or 3rd floor so you don't hear the watter running throug the walls
I'd have an HVAC system for upstairs and downstairs versus an automated damper system for upstairs
I'd use a heavier carpet with a little better quality in the bedrooms
I'd use thicker carpet padding
I'd make sure the doors are solid doors versus hollow core
I'd have solid brass door knobs and bathroom fixtures
I'd use real marble countertops versus the fake marble
I'd have 3/8 glass shower enclosure versus the 1/4" with the metal trim
I'd put in 3/4 solid surface closet system versus the ventilated shelving
Put a CATV outlet in each room and pre-wire for sound system
Install extensive outdoor lighting


Whatever you do, don't skimp on the floors, walls, frame, and foundation of the home. You can always upgrade the interior of the home as time goes by if you wish, but the frame, foundation, floors and walls are much more difficult and costly to upgrade later on.

I'm in construction and will have my GC license once the paperwork is processed by the state, so let me know if you have any questions and I'll answer as best as I can.

Rob
 
Rob, that is exactly what I am looking for. This house is not going to be my starter home, it is more like my finisher home :) This is the house I plan to raise my children in and then retire in, so I am going for quality and function.

Renegade, I knew I was forgetting something :lol:
 
Lot of houses on the market now, many cheaper than you can imagine building. Listen to Rob otherwise.
 
I am looking at building on some land, so buying an already constructed house unfortunately is not an option.
 
Heated floors!!!! Tankless water heater. Upgraded carpet and padding and solid core doors.
 
The cost/benefit on a tankless water heater isn't there. Best option is a gas fired tank, especially if you're serious about underfloor heating... although I think the cost/benefit on that in this part of the country is iffy. Not enough heating days. Heat strips under the bathroom floors might be worth considering, though.

Look into a sealed crawl space. Definitely the way to go. I'd consider going with a sealed attic, too. Maybe use SIPS for the roof sheathing. That's not as critical, though, and it really depends on what your house is going to look like. Pushing a little bit of conditioned air into a 2000 cf crawl space is no big deal, but cooling 10000 cf of unused attic space probably isn't worth it.
 
If you build on a crawlspace: build it so that the crawlspace is 1 concrete block taller than typical. Makes it much easier to sit up under your house if you do have to do any work under there.
X2 on the separate HVAC unit for upstairs and downstairs.
Install extra pipe and conduit under your foundation for future use. You can add it cheap while you are building and cap it off.
 
3/4" tongue and groove plywood for floors over OSB
Insulate all walls (including interior) this adds maybe $2k but makes you house so much quieter

2x6 walls throughout

Cable and wire can always be retrofitted as long as you have access below above but if its a mid floor or have a finished basement with hard sheetrock ceiling, better get it in now.

Even if you are thinking tankless water heater long term pipe for a tank style, otherwise retro in of pipes is a biotch.

Dont skimp on carpet pad, kitchen cabinets, or siding.
 
Buy a high end doblewide REPO(?) then put in on a full basement with one heck of a roof on it..I know this sounds like a joke but...My wife and I bought a 2100+ sq. Ft home (repo) for about 20K then added decks,landscaping, block & concrete stuco w/stone underpinning,feather edge siding,roof with larger overhang,laminate floors,rocked the fire place and hearth...WE HAVE MORE ROOM THAN WE COULD AFFORD,EVERYTHING WE WANT AND MORE AND ITS..PAID FOR. ****I MUST ADMIT-I DO ALOT ON MY OWN****
Also,we don't care much about what the Jones think.
 
I built in 2002.

Go with the 2x6 walls...my 1200sf house was less than $500 additional. Think about it...only real cost difference to the builder is about 100+ 2x6's instead of 2x4's, a little more insulation cost, and a bit more for sill extensions on windows. Labor is about the same.

After framing, roof and exterior walls were sheathed, but before insulation and wallboard went up, I went over and worked a weekend (with permission and approval of the contractor, of course). Did four things that made my life easier: (I wanted this stuff done MY way, not the contractors).

A) installed curtain blocks at each window, so you have something solid to hit in the right place when hanging curtain rods.
B) installed towel blocks in each wall where towel holders would go. Just 2x4 or 2x6 blocks in the walls. Makes it easy to hang towel bars, and no drywall anchors to pull loose on down the line.
C) installed a stub of conduit and an outlet box, at least 2 in each room. I did my own low-voltage wiring (phone, tv, network), this made it easy (did the wiring after everything else was done...subs will screw with LV wiring for the hell of it). With the conduit stub down to the crawlspace, easy to add stuff (i.e. speaker wires) later on.
D) installed a chunk of 1.5" conduit going from the crawlspace, inside a wall, up to the attic area. Haven't used it yet, but super simple to add anything electrical later (floodlights, TV ant on roof, etc.)

Other stuff

Take your plans, and show to anybody that'll listen. Ask what they like and don't like, and if they see any interferences, traffic pattern problems, etc. We did our own design/plans, and this helped to get a couple of bugs out that we didn't notice.

Go to the build site every day. Check everything, and let the contractor know if there is a problem. Stop something you don't like early on, and it won't cost the contractor much to fix, and you won't have to live with it. Example, I found one wall 2" off of what the plan called out (yes, I used a tape to check behind them). This was the day the interior framing was done. Left alone, it would have adversely affected other things later on...the contractor was glad to hear about it that day, rather than after it was sheetrocked, wired, painted, etc. They had also mis-located the main air return, wouldn't have worked with the furnace location. When you go to check things, go at the end of day, do not get in the way of the workers.

Everytime you talk to the contractor about something, put it in writing and hand it to him, less likely to get forgotten that way. Nothing formal, just a typewritten note bulleting the items that need attention.

36" doors everywhere in the house. They don't cost but a few bucks more, and worth more than that if you ever wind up in a wheelchair later in life...difference between staying in that house or not.

If you have a crawlspace -- i didn't do this on this house, but might on the next -- pour a "rat slab". 1.5-2" of concrete in the crawlspace over the sand, over a VB. Supposedly cuts down on moisture issues, and if you need to be under the house to work on furnace, wiring, etc...all you need is a mechanic's creeper.

Whatever builder you choose, go into as many houses as you can that he has built (especially recent work), and see what is good/bad, and what you need to watch carefully on. Easier in my case, contractor had several spec houses for sale in the same neighborhood.

Think about rekeying locks after move-in. First, after a couple of weeks in my new house, got a call alarm was tripped. One of the subs had gone in my garage to "check the wiring". Yeah, right. Another possibilty...a friend of mine figured out that all the houses in his subdiv that were built at the same time were all keyed alike. Seems it was easy for the contractor to buy a case all keyed the same...evidently cheaper...and no individual house keys to keep track of and hand out.

Build a smaller house, larger workshop.
 
don't build your house out of straw or sticks, build it out of bricks.

I'm pretty sure houses these days are built out of wood and just surounded by brick on the outside... ;-)
 
If there are critical items in your home that you want that isn't typical and will be a PITA to change after finishing the home, require the builder to have "hold" points in the schedule that they cannot proceed without your approval/signature. This can be practically everything if you want to be super detailed with it.

I know it may not be customary in residential construction, but have a 10% retainer (payable to contractor once warranty period has ended) in the contract. Contractors are hurting for work right now so this option may be easier to slide into the contract.

Do build the crawl space 1 or 2 blocks higher than needed. Try to get at least 36" under the bottom of the joists. My last house was like 12" and it was a PITA going under there to re-insulate the duct and install some new joists.

Something else I don't see in residential construction that I'll have in my next home is better sealing and insulating of the duct system. SMACNA allows a pretty significant leakage factor for residential HVAC ductwork; somewhere around 30% allowable leakage. Working in pharmaceutical construction, we are allowed no more than 1% leakage, which isn't too hard. It creates much great efficiency in the system. Residential insulation is typically 1" or 1.5" duct wrap insulation. After time, it'll sweat and create extra moisture problems under the home, etc. Request 2" or more insulation and a 5% max leakage factor on the HVAC system and your HVAC system will love you. I'd go with a split system. Gas heat is great, but for the cost in your area, I think electric is much cheaper. Go with a larger heat strip than expected. I took out my 7kW strip and replaced it with a 15kW heat strip and it worked wonders on extremely cold days.

Wire in twice the electrical outlets you expect to have. If you have a garage, make it larger than expected. Thats why I bought this house. Yes its a 2 car garage, but its 26' deep and 25' wide with a nook area big enough for a work bench and my lawn mower. Other "2 car garages" were very minimal at 16' deep and 20' wide. Also, if you have tools, make sure to put in multiple 20A outlets in the garage. That is lackin in my garage. Also, put in a welding outlet. Make sure is a 60A 220V outlet.


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BTW, I think heated floors are nice, but can be a maintenance issue long term.

Also, have at least 9' ceilings and solid wood trim work, not the pressed paper stuff. Recessed lighting with dimmer switches are a nice inexpensive feature.
 
Hardwood floors throughout, except in bath/laundry. Go tile there.
 

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GREAT info guys, thanks! Keep it coming! :D
 
Just a few suggestions to think about since you plan to live in the house long term.
1. When drawing plans make sure the playroom for the kids is over the garage or some other area of the house that the adults don't hang out in when the kids are playing.
2. Have a large enough kitchen to include a small desk area for bills and other things.
3. If building 2 story make sure you have atleast 2bedrooms downstairs, never know when a family member may get sick and have to stay with you for awhile. Stairs suck when your old.
4. Make sure you have the house wired for 400amps so you can pull to a work shop later and have plenty of power.
5. If you do use brick make sure you don't use it on any second floor dormers, it looks great, but adds a ton of weight to the roof structure and will be a constant problem area for leaks if you don't make sure the brick mason uses the correct mortor and then seals all second floor brick.
6. use a daul zone hvac system that allows you to have a thermastat in the living area and your master bedroom, your wife will love you for it.
7. Make the garage as big as possible like others have said, mine is 26x28 and I can park my 4wheeler and lawn mower in front of my wifes suv with plenty of room to spare.
Sorry to be long winded, i'm a licensed GC and have seen many people make bad choices and end up regreting them down the road. Good luck
 
dont build too small. and if you do, make provisions to expand later.
 
I built my house 5 years ago and here are some things I wish I had done differently.

*buy an inline heater for your whirlpool tub. The water gets cold fast. It is the same principle as stirring a cup of coffee
when you don't have the inline heater.

*use solid granite counter tops vs granite tiles

*put a standard on your garage along with the garage doors so you don't have to open a garage door to walk out.

*put at least one outside hot water spigot.

*install under counter lights

Things I did and am glad that I did:

*pour one big ass driveway

*NO carpet what so ever. Hardwood and tile (I prefer pre-finished hardwoods and no, I do not mean laminet). Pre-finished, tou don't have to deal with sanding and I think it looks better.

*stand alone tile shower in master bath at least 4'x4'. My favorite part about the house

*USE BRICK

*install a shit ton of recepticals, cable and phone outlets

*during rough-in, run all of your surround sound cables

*X2 on the already suggested 1-2 blocks above code for crawl-space. I think you have to go 4 high so go 5-6 block high. Your subs will like you a lot better.

*MOST IMPORTANT...don't take all of the advice you are given or you will end up with a house that you can't afford. Build what you want...not what somebody else would like to have built for themself. If someone gives you advice and they don't have it done to their house, ask them why...most of the time they will say it's not worth the cost. Build a house, not your dream house. Some things are better left only dreamt about. It is nice to think you will live there until you die but the reality is that you will probably die in a nursing home covered in bed sores while your kids are arguing over who gets what!

Just my 2 cents
 
A recent thread got me thinking about this one. Lots of good info in here, so I am gonna bump it.
 
*install a shit ton of recepticals, cable and phone outlets
*during rough-in, run all of your surround sound cables
Just my 2 cents
^This^ As I said before,man it is so much cheaper and easier to put speaker wire anyplace you think you Might Maybe Possibly one day want it then to do it later.Plus for the cost of a volume control,cheap receiver and room selector at any time down the road you have inexpensive inconspicuous music in any room you use.Really it's only the $30 pair of speakers and $10 volume control because you only need one room selector and receiver.I use my bathroom speakers and outdoor speakers pretty much daily.It's the best part of my house,I will be glad to donate my time during your rough in to help with this.
Oh sorry this is a totally different thread.So yeah speaker,cable and phone jacks,use Cat5 so you can punch the plates down as internet ports,but phones will also plug into them.Make sure they go back to a central can.That way if you mount your router and incoming phone line there you can switch back and forth as easy as unplugging one and replugging it in.
 
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