Buying a home with a room that wasn't permitted?

Blaze

The Jeeper Reaper
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Wake Forest, NC
My wife and I are looking at buying a home on short sale. It is going really cheap, apparently the owner is in a huge financial bind and needs to unload the house.

The house needs a bunch of work, and my agent just told me that he thinks the sunroom was built without a permit and the utility room might have been as well.

What do you do about this? Call the city and get it inspected and hope it passes? Or tear it out?
 
Your realtor thinks or knows? Depending on when it was built, there would be a record of permits... definitely on the Wake County Real Estate site or with the city, if it is in Raleigh. PM me an address and name and I'll see what I can find out.

Unless it is super recent, there probably isn't much to do... unless it is really in bad shape/not safe and needs to be rebuilt.
 
People do this all the time. Generally you can call the county and explain the situation, they will come out and take a look, tell you if anything is wrong, and be pretty lenient on you. You may have to pay for it though.
If the house is a good deal, I wouldn't worry about it. Of course, that means you DO get to spend some time figuring out what they didn't do to code b/c they didn't have to :D .

A year ago, I got a call from the county asking about an open permit on our closed-in sunroom. I was like, "Um, I didn't open one on that?" Turns out that 10 years ago, the PO did when they enclosed it (we bought 3 years ago) but never had the final inspection, even though it was clearly finished. The county was just clearing old records and came across it.

Guy came out, walked around outside for about 2 mins, said to me,"Well, house hasn't burned down yet, must be OK." Handed me a slip and left. o_O.
 
There's a GIS site for every municipality in NC now I think. Wake County is IMAPS. Go there and punch the address in and toggle on the "ortho's" and "pictures". Ortho's is fly-over pictures with a date to tell you when it was done. sOMETIMES THERE'S PICTURES IN THE TAX RECORDS AS WELL. yOU CAN FIND OUT ANYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ON THAT SITE IF YOU DIG HARD ENOUGH. (Damn caps). That's where every bit of information is stored for the inspectors. You can see every time it was sold, inspected, permitted, everything.
 
don't even dig around and find out. Once you know it was done wrong, you should really fix it to make it right. Basically, permits make sure the city/county gets their $ as well as ensuring the item is built to code. If you let them know and its not to code and you own the house, they will likely require you to fix it to code or tear it down.

Just be sure its right to code and be done with it. That will keep you and your family safe.
 
don't even dig around and find out. Once you know it was done wrong, you should really fix it to make it right. Basically, permits make sure the city/county gets their $ as well as ensuring the item is built to code. If you let them know and its not to code and you own the house, they will likely require you to fix it to code or tear it down.

Just be sure its right to code and be done with it. That will keep you and your family safe.

Dig around enough to use it in negotiations, but not enough to let them connect the dots and require immediate repairs
 
People do this all the time. Generally you can call the county and explain the situation, they will come out and take a look, tell you if anything is wrong, and be pretty lenient on you. You may have to pay for it though.

Unless its Montgomery County. I had an interview a month or so ago there for County Planner, and they told told me about some neighborhood where they have not one, but TWO people they are forcing to cut 4 FEET off their house because they didn't get any sort of permit to build an addition and ended up being too far towards one side of the lot. I was completely stunned when they told me this.

Be aware though, any sort of addition will add to the property tax. If it wasn't properly permitted, it may not have been added yet if it is an interior addition. If its exterior, GIS photos usually are enough for the tax man to see it.
 
I didn't want to pipe in for I do this daily (for the private sector). And knew there were some municipality / state workers on here. But advice is free along with freedom of speech and I have no illeagle open contracts. So here it goes... Hate me!:rockon:

My house was added onto before I bought it. Just a side porch but Durham permits anything above dirt (not required in any other municipality around here). But it's simple proof from the ortho's and sale date from GOMAPS (Durham GIS) that it was the previous owner. I had planned on adding another 4' on the rear before the next fly-over JUST so I could blame it on the prev. owner but I got hammered with work. And Durham slipped in a fly-over at 5 years (last year) when it's average every 8 simply for income to catch this stuff for they are so hurting for money and twiddling thumbs right now. They (like all other municipalities) have 2-3 people that all they do is overlay ortho's. Sometimes they catch it and sometimes they don't for look at how many they look at and you have tree coverage and such and some more obvious than others. Glad I got busy for I could have gotten busted.
But... I'm with technologyteacher. Negotiate but don't go to the municipality unless you want added unneccesary headaches. Permitting these days lasts on average up to 1 full year for the municipalities are so starving. I just finished a simple (internal) bath add that the permitting lasted 7 months and $1,800 in fees from a previous client that didn't take my word in Town of Morrisville jurisdiction. Trust me for I work with ALL the local Municipalities every single day. The red tape is gotten WAY out of hand due to NC is so broke. And when things finally let loose around here, there's going to be so much of a back log due to redf tape that they will have no choice but to loosen up.
The only thing gained by permitting someone else's mess (if you even want to go there?) is to add square footage / baths / bedrooms whatever it is you have in your situation to gain for a higher tax value if you plan on selling it. But in return, will cost you more in taxes every year and headaches.
I suggest to get a private inspection if you're not knowledged on how to fully inspect yourself. I inspected my first house myself 18 years ago for all I've done growing up was residential construction. It was in Wake County. With a fine tooth comb! I negotiated a price of $75,000 + closing initial fees ($1,700 back then) when the asking was $117,000. They were in a situation where they HAD to sell due to divorce and a strange X that malested the lady's girl. And he hung in the neighbor's yard every day watching me. But I done the work before closing myself so it wouldn't depreciate and negotiated all of the material and labor in with the closing cost paid by the owner. My realtor was very amazed with me. Your situation would be to use it for negotiations by taking the added unpermitted square footage and pro-rate.
But take my word and DON'T report it to the municipality if you plan on buying it. If you don't want the house, simply walk away. I've given this advice many times in the past few years with every single one that reported came back to me saying I was right. Hate to be that way but it's all down to money. And it's usually better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for initial permission. As long as you aren't adding on yourself and dodging obvious permits which is "double permit price" if caught there's no mercy down to the end. Each initial inspection fee doubles from the previous anyways. (ex. 1st inspection = $99; 2nd if didn't pass = $198) Read your municipalities UDO thoroughly and you will see exactly where I'm coming from! And compare with older UDO's! Search your municipality web and read the rules and restrictions that are added daily.
Wake county's getting ready to require septic inspections annually. That's an extra $100+ per resident. They are so broke...
 
Thanks everyone. From what I have found today, it seems like the county does know that these things exist, they are on the tax records and all. I'm guessing everything is known in the eyes of the county. I'm going to have an inspector look at it. I can find a lot of stuff myself just from general knowledge I have from being in the commercial construction side, but I'm going to have an inspector look over it as well to be sure.

The house is being sold as-is, so basically we just want to be sure the house isn't going to erupt into flames or fall on our heads.

It is a short sale too, so it is bound to take forever so who knows. We are going to see the inside of the place on Sunday. We're in no hurry, I'm in the process of finishing up fixing up my house. Just started the paint and flooring in my downstairs over the weekend.
 
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