Came up a little short

Tim88XJ said:
Watching that almost makes me sick...
How could people be that stupid/ ignorant/ and or inconsiderate?
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I see you live in Cary, so you should have pllenty of 1st hand experience.

That aside - been to Wal-mart lately? Look around.
 
Mutt said:
Notice the guy was snoring? That is a sure sign of brain injury. I'm not a Doctor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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chuckwhut said:
i disagree...RatLabGuy...you wanna chime in here?
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I'll chime in. As a paramedic, my first thought was that guy is probably not gonna wake up from that for a long time. Once he does, if he does, he's probably gonna have to re-learn how to eat, walk, etc. He definately looks like a pretty serious brain injury.
 
sorry to get off track....

i agree that the guy is hurt...i am just refuting that snoring when knocked out is a sign or symptom of a serious brain injury. i just can't find anything to support that statement, in any of my books or with the many google/webMD/medline/....etc. searches i did...
if you are a paramedic then you have more experience in emergency medicine than i do...but in the time i have spent working in the ER, or in any of my classes so far, i have yet to hear anyone mention snoring in relation to brain injury.

the only correlation i could find was snoring in relation to apnea causing brain damage due to lack of oxygen to the brain...

help me out here if i'm wrong i like learning!
 
What sounded like snoring (I couldn't hear it) could have been him struggling to breathe because of blood in the trachea & stuff like that?
 
I am a paramedic here in Myrtle Beach, I would say if you heard a snoring sound it would be secondary to a partial airway obstruction from his tounqe and other structures in his orophranyx being relaxed by being knocked unconcious. In my experience you would have varying patterns of respirations due to the possibility of a head injury, but the audible noise that you would hear would have to be from some type of structure impedeing proper airflow, causing a snoring sound. If he didn't have a neck injury, a head-tilt chin lift would probably relieve what is causing a "snoring" soud, or a modified jaw-thrust in this case.

(It sounds more less like rapid deep breathing to me, more so than snoring)
 
chuckwhut said:
i disagree...RatLabGuy...you wanna chime in here?
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Ummm.... well my area is more like what happens to the brain during/after injury... in my world everything below the neck is just extra junk that's there to get yer brain around the world :beer:

But, yeah, I def agree that the "snoring" is some kind of obstruction, probably something collapsed. And yes, the probability of a brain injury here is pretty damn good, if no hemoraging then at least major swelling from the shock, which is just as bad brainstem-wise. Unfortunately intracranial pressure has the biggest impact at the base, around those infamous cranial nerves and brain stem. Damage to brain stem can = purtubed breathing control (medulla mostly, some pons).
However, the "snoring" does not directly imply brain damage.... just that he has something in there broken. Brainstem damage would show up in highly variable or very shallow breathing. Then of ocurset he other things all EMTs look for, ocular restictive responses etc but we don't get to see that here b/c all the asshats w/ the cameras never get close enough.
 
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