CJ-7 or Wrangler

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Does the older CJ-7 have a stronger drive train?

Or is the newer wrangler less likly to rust apart?

Which one would you start with for a street/trail rig?

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I would start with a jeep compass.
 
YJ has a better frame.
 
apples and oranges
You mention stronger drive train, and rust.
The CJ-7 has many drive train variations
Engines being the 4 banger, not very powerful, and the 6 which in my experience was a 130-170K engine. Lost compression and cam issues during that time. Put a 304 or 360 in and she'll go a long time
Trannys, T-4 and T-5, neither very strong. T-176 very good tranny. Automatics were OK but had the quadratract t cases.
T-4 t-5 and T 176 had Dana 300 a very good case.
Frame in a YJ is stronger than a CJ, tubs basically the same, grill hood and fenders different.
YJ's started out with the 4.2, then went to the 4.0, the 4.0 IMO the better engine. They also had the 2.5, which seems to be a good engine, just not a lot of power.
As far as I know, the YJ's had the chain driven 231, good case, but not first choice for strength. The last year (86) had a Dana 44 rear, and continued on into the first year YJ, but quickly changed to the Dana 35's.
Both had the Dana 30 front.
 
YJ's have wider leaf springs, and the newer (94-95) have galvanized tubs.

IMO, the YJ is the best option, they can be had for decent prices, are not too nice (TJ, JK), but are more up to date than a CJ.
 
I would go with a cj but I'm a cj guy.(I'm afraid of square headlights) . :) If its going to be a serious trail rig with over 35's you will need to get some full size axles either route. I'm building a cj7 now and I used yj leaf springs. The main thing is to figure out what you want and what your going to do with it before you start buying stuff. My cj was on 31's the first time I went to the flats. After that I went to 35's but killed my DD. I bought all kind's of stuff and finally decided that my best option was to keep my cj7 as my DD and build something I could beat the $h!t out of. So its coming together and my DD want have to sweat when I get the urge to use the skinny pedal. My 2 cent
 
CJ-7 will lose almost any battle when rust is brought up. Tubs don't last and the frames will always be rusted inside the rear frame rails. YJ tubs are galvanized, and very close to the same dimensions as the CJ-7 and darn close bolt-on a CJ-7. Not sure about the newer Wranglers (TJ and JK) being galvanized, I can't imagine they would be worse than a CJ-7.

The AMC20 in the rear of most CJ-7s can be built up to a Dana44 strength, it just needs one-piece axles and the tubes trussed. CJ-7 beats any YJ in this category, they all had D35s. The final year of CJ-7 production, they ran out of AMC20 and used some Dana 44s.
Both YJ and CJ-7 had the Dana30 front with the little U-joint, except 95 YJ had the 297/760 joints. All YJ D30s are vacuum disconnect and dont have lockout hubs.

early CJ-7s have the Dana 20 t-case (2:1 low range), later ones have the Dana 300 (2.87ish low). Both are good steel cases, I'm sure someone will point out their weaknesses. YJ started with an aluminum china driven NP207 I think, then went to the NP231, which carried into the TJ. CJ-7 is pass.side drop front axle, YJ/TJ are pass.side, not much swapability. As Chip mentioned, CJ-7 also got the quadratrac behind the automatic trannies.

For the transmission, CJ-7's started out good offering the optional 4spd granny low T18. Most of them ended up with the 3-spd T150 with terribly high first gear. When they swapped to the D300, the whole tranny lineup changed to a serious of light and medium duties. The 4spd T176 was probaly the best of the bunch. All the 5-spd trannies are worthless. As far as auto, I want to say it was a TF999, but not sure.

The YJ continued the downward trend in shitty manual transmission with the Peugot BA-10 or whatever it was designated. They finally started using AX5 (4cyl) and AX15 (6cyl). No idea what auto tranny was used.

The CJ-7 is the only choice if you want a factory V8, the 304 was used, but the 360 is a common swap, the 401 also has the same dimensions and will drop in too. They also used 232 and 258 inline 6 with a one barrel carb, later switching to a troublesome 2bbl carb. For 4 bangers, you could get an AMC engine or the GM Iron Duke, bonus 4.10 axle gears with these. most other engines gave the 3.55 gears, but in the 80s, there was a lot of 2.73 used.
I think all YJ 4 bangers were the new 2.5L MPI. They continued to use the crappy emmission controlled Carter BBD carb on the 258 (4.2L) I6, until 1991 4.0L MPI was introduced. Basically its a destroked 258 with larger bore pistons, a better flowing head, and of course fuel injection.
 
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