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paradisePWoffrd

paradisePWoffrd

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For some reason this question popped in my mind, so I thought I would throw it out here in hopes for a tech discussion:

Is there an unsolvable reason for not pulling a gooseneck trailer on a tag coupler?

How is it much different than this design?
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Some immediate questions/answers:

- Would it look stupid? Most likely, but who cares if it works.
- Assuming you could design an extended coupler to allow the trailer to remain level in tow. I havent calculated if this is possible, maybe one of you can prove/dissprove.
- Assuming you didnt violate tongue weight requirements.
- Could you add WD hitch, by using longer chains?
- Could you add sway control?


An unsolvable issue I can see is, much flex would get the trailer into the back of the vehicle?
 
Seems doable. I think the articulation would be the biggest issue.
 
And that could be overcome by a longer hitch, but then you really need a 2.5 or 3" receiver.
 
Just do something like this :D

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Are you saying hook a regular GN trailer to the rear receiver hitch? or a special made trailer like above?

One issue I can think of is the GN coupler making contact with the tailgate?
 
All you need. Hooks to the rain gutter thing.
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They actually have the tow behind deals that allow you to pull a 5th wheel/gooseneck with an SUV or whatever. And I once saw a video on Facebook of a huge lifted Powerstroke, that was sitting so high they were towing a GN trailer right from the regular hitch and the GN was sitting level! Lol.
 
Chris_Keziah said:
I think the better question is why on earth would you want to pull a GN like a bumper pull :confused:
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Because you forgot the ball for your B&W hitch.

Can't do it with a loaded trailer, though. The pin weight is too high for the bumper hitch.
 
Wouldn’t it defeat the purpose anyway? I could see moving an empty trailer around the yard or something, but the point is to get that weight in front of or right over the axle rather than behind it.

The video I referenced of a truck pulling a GN from the hitch, was super sketch too btw. It was a real trashy setup. Kept screaming something bout “Do it for Dale” or something....
 
Yeah i know they have those expensive car dolly for pulling it... I was just throwing something out there to think about...

Let's say you had a 20ft GN; and for some reason you didnt want to sell it and buy a tag.... you pulled it with your F250 and wanted to be able to use your Excursion too... or some super special framed RV


There are a million reasons it doesnt make sense.... just theoretically, what would you need to do/modify/overcome, for it to be feasible.
 
braxton357 said:
Why would you ever take it out?
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Short bed guys take them out because the offset ball won't fold flat. They won't put them under the seat because they're "yucky and gross", so inevitably they show up to pick up their trailer but don't bring along their ball.

I wouldn't know first-hand, but I've heard stories.
 
It’d be interesting to try and make whatever adapter needed to extend down to the hitch ridged enough.

I’d picture an adaptor that attached to the GN that extended down to the hitch. It would have to attached very tight with no play, and have some outrigger styl things that ran from the pin back to the trailer downward to brace it and make it ridged. Ideally this would be easily removed to switch back to regular GN use.

All hypothetically of course. Typically goose necks have the axles further back than a tag along, in which I would be extremely worried about the amount of weight/leverage applied to the hitch. But I’ve seen plenty of load where people clearly had farrr too much on the hitch. Still sketches me out. Spend enough time on the road and you see some crazy stuff. Espiecially people that have no business towing a lawn more, much less a huge camper! Scary stuff. You should have to have a towing endorsement for anything over 16’ lol.
 
shawn said:
Short bed guys take them out because the offset ball won't fold flat. They won't put them under the seat because they're "yucky and gross", so inevitably they show up to pick up their trailer but don't bring along their ball.

I wouldn't know first-hand, but I've heard stories.
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So what you’re saying is short bed truck owners don’t have balls? Lol
 
B&H flips over to be perfectly flat on short beds :rolleyes:

And Phillip, both Adam and I have pictures of ours resting on your forehead from Asheville :smokin: So there's proof for your short bed ball theory :rockon:
 
CasterTroy said:
B&H flips over to be perfectly flat on short beds :rolleyes:

And Phillip, both Adam and I have pictures of ours resting on your forehead from Asheville :smokin: So there's proof for your short bed ball theory :rockon:
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Well played...

Good day sir!
 
shawn said:
Short bed guys take them out because the offset ball won't fold flat. They won't put them under the seat because they're "yucky and gross", so inevitably they show up to pick up their trailer but don't bring along their ball.

I wouldn't know first-hand, but I've heard stories.
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Didn't consider that. Short bed truck, perfect reason to bumper pull a gooseneck.

Excursion bumper pull a goose, first RR crossing you might be missing some back glass.
 
Tag trailers can have a different axle position than gooseneck trailers. Bumper style hitches can't handle nearly as much tongue weight as a gooseneck hitch.

This isn't necessarily an issue, but depending on the trailer I could see you exceeding the capacity of the hitch pretty quick.
 
Both the wife and I have short bed trucks because megacab. We both have B&W GN and the ball pulls out and flips for flush storage in the mount. Always there and never lost. Either way I don’t see why you could or ever would want to put a GN on a conventional bumper pull hitch unless as stated you were just moving it around the yard.
 
77GreenMachine said:
It’d be interesting to try and make whatever adapter needed to extend down to the hitch ridged enough.

I’d picture an adaptor that attached to the GN that extended down to the hitch. It would have to attached very tight with no play, and have some outrigger styl things that ran from the pin back to the trailer downward to brace it and make it ridged. Ideally this would be easily removed to switch back to regular GN use.

All hypothetically of course. Typically goose necks have the axles further back than a tag along, in which I would be extremely worried about the amount of weight/leverage applied to the hitch. But I’ve seen plenty of load where people clearly had farrr too much on the hitch. Still sketches me out. Spend enough time on the road and you see some crazy stuff. Espiecially people that have no business towing a lawn more, much less a huge camper! Scary stuff. You should have to have a towing endorsement for anything over 16’ lol.
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I had envisioned something like this, but likely longer:

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You would just pull the pins to swap back to the standard coupler.


I agree with a longer trailer, this would be more of a challenge.... but with a fairly short trailer, getting the correct balance might not be hard.... esp if you used a WD hitch.
 
The WD hitch torque arms attach to the a-frame of the TAG trailer. How are you going to implement that with a single pipe sticking down to the hitch, then nothing but air for another 5-6'?
 
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