Handicapped parking and tickets question..

TSpyrison

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I remember a while back, that there was a discussion about handicapped parking..

So this is mainly a question for the law/legal types here..

Today, a couple people got tickets for parking in the handicapped spots at the building where I work. (Not me, I was watching with glee. Been waiting for them to get ticketed for a long time)

Someone said that someone must have called them because this is “Private Propertyâ€. I think that BS.. Does the ability to write parking tickets for handicapped parking matter if its public or private property? Is the law on the web somewhere where I can refer people who seem to think the police cant write tickets on “private property†?
 
If that was the case, then they couldn't hand out many tickets as most handicapped parking spots are private property. Businesses are required by law to have handicap parking and the police can ticket, private or not. I'll let my lawyer answer the part about web location for the law.
 
I can say with certainty, however, that when you park in someone's "reserved because I make alot of money" spot, there's nothing the police will do, or care to.. Not that I've ever done it.. :D
 
my understadning is that the spot must have the handicap sign in front of spot and symbol on ground.. but i could be wrong.
 
BRUISER said:
my understadning is that the spot must have the handicap sign in front of spot and symbol on ground.. but i could be wrong.

You are correct it must be marked the correct way. A sign that meets code, size, placement and also must have the painted sign on the pavement or concrete.
A ticket may not hold up in court if it is not on the pavement.
We had people at the the beach parking in front of ours and the cops would only give them a ticket if they were from out of town because they would not be around to fight it. It was a gravel lot. No way to mark it other then the sign on a post.
Jon
 
BRUISER said:
my understadning is that the spot must have the handicap sign in front of spot and symbol on ground.. but i could be wrong.
You are correct, it has to be clearly marked, both on the pavement and a sign.
 
Yea..
We have both the sign, and the painted symbol on the pavement. The parking lot was just repaved last summer, so everything is clearly visible..

I can say with certainty, however, that when you park in someone's "reserved because I make alot of money" spot, there's nothing the police will do, or care to.. Not that I've ever done it..

The funny thing about that, is one of the guys who got the ticket was one of those types! He's got his own reserved parking spot. Some idiot parked in it, so instead of parking an extra 30 feet away, he went ahead and parked in the handicapped spot. This guy does that all the time. I guess they are just so much better than the rest of us that they need the spot more than the handicapped people do..

I wish i had my camera to get his expression when he found his ticket..
 
it's similar to Fire Lanes...

a lot of businesses make their own, which you legally can't get a ticket by parking in...

width, color and markings have to be proper for them to be legal, but most people don't know which is which...

Greg
 
id guess if they (the building) is required by law to have the spot, then it's ticketable... Kinda like building codes etc... yes its private but.....
 
When it comes to police jurisdiction in a parking lot the law is something like this, any parking lot used by the public is considered public property. A private lot you pay to park in is not public property. A business that is closed down that has a parking lot is no longer public property. I know a guy that got a ticket in the parking lot of his fathers laundrimat for spinning tires.
 
Most of what has been said here is correct. For a handicapped space to be enforceable, it MUST follow state guidelines for dimensions, and position to the space, as well as color. Also displayed, must be the fine for the offense. If any of this is not present, then no enforcement action can be taken (by the letter of the law). There is no provision for the pavement needing to be marked. For instance, apartments are very bad about painting the blue illustration on the ground and putting up one of those asthetically pleasing signs. Those are not technically correct, and should not be enforced. The signs that look like the standard State issued signs without a fine listed are not correct either.

As far as private property goes, like was said, if it is closed off to routine public traffic then it counts as private property. Office parking lots, as well as store lots, are considered by the state as a PVA (Public Vehicular Area). Law enforcement has jurisdiction on PVA's as far as motor vehicle code goes. Some of the charges do not apply on PVA's as they would on a street or highway. Examples of chargeable offenses are, Careless and Reckless, No Insurance, DWI, safe movement violations...to name a few. Those that can not be charged on PVA's are license violations, Registration violations, Racing, stop signs...to name a few.

Back to the handicapped issue. No, we don't need to be called to write a ticket for that offense. All it takes is to see the violation, and take the 3 minutes to write out the ticket. I have a few friends that are wheelchair bound, and several family members that rely on "those" spaces so I don't mind charging the price of admission to those spaces :D .
 
In this day and age of modern tech There are options. Digi camera's and a pic printed and posted on the ungrateful, insensitive, ass who parks in a handicap space, posted all over where he/she works, sounds like a good start b4 calling POPO. A simple confrintation of a " If my handicap mom comes to visit me, where will she park?" comment might shame them into moving. Self policing goes a long way sometimes I didn't say take the law into your own hands) just as it has on this board.
 
From the NC General Statutes:

§ 136‑30. Uniform signs and other traffic control devices on highways, streets, and public vehicular areas.

(a) State Highway System. – The Department of Transportation may number and mark highways in the State highway system. All traffic signs and other traffic control devices placed on a highway in the State highway system must conform to the Uniform Manual. The Department of Transportation shall have the power to control all signs within the right‑of‑way of highways in the State highway system. The Department of Transportation may erect signs directing persons to roads and places of importance.

(b) Municipal Street System. – All traffic signs and other traffic control devices placed on a municipal street system street must conform to the appearance criteria of the Uniform Manual. All traffic control devices placed on a highway that is within the corporate limits of a municipality but is part of the State highway system must be approved by the Department of Transportation.

(c) Public Vehicular Areas. – Except as provided in this subsection, all traffic signs and other traffic control devices placed on a public vehicular area, as defined in G.S. 20‑4.01, must conform to the Uniform Manual. The owner of private property that contains a public vehicular area may place on the property a traffic control device, other than a sign designating a parking space for handicapped persons, as defined in G.S. 20‑37.5, that differs in material from the uniform device but does not differ in shape, size, color, or any other way from the uniform device. The owner of private property that contains a public vehicular area may place on the property a sign designating a parking space for handicapped persons that differs in material and color from the uniform sign but does not differ in shape, size, or any other way from the uniform device.

(d) Definition. – As used in this section, the term "Uniform Manual" means the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices for Streets and Highways, published by the United States Department of Transportation, and any supplement to that Manual adopted by the North Carolina Department of Transportation.

(e) Exception for Public Airport Traffic Signs. – Publicly owned airports, as defined in Chapter 63 of the General Statutes, shall be exempt from the requirements of subsections (b) and (c) of this section with respect to informational and directional signs, but not with respect to regulatory traffic signs. (1921, c. 2, ss. 9(a), 9(b); C.S., ss. 3846(q), 3846(r); 1927, c. 148, s. 54; 1933, c. 172, s. 17; 1957, c. 65, s. 11; 1973, c. 507, s. 5; 1977, c. 464, s. 7.1; 1991, c. 530, s. 1; 1991 (Reg. Sess., 1992), c. 818, s. 2; 1993, c. 51.)
 
This one also.

§ 20‑37.6. Parking privileges for handicapped drivers and passengers.

(a) General Parking. – Any vehicle that is driven by or is transporting a person who is handicapped and that displays a distinguishing license plate, a removable windshield placard, or a temporary removable windshield placard may be parked for unlimited periods in parking zones restricted as to the length of time parking is permitted. This provision has no application to those zones or during times in which the stopping, parking, or standing of all vehicles is prohibited or which are reserved for special types of vehicles. Any qualifying vehicle may park in spaces designated as restricted to vehicles driven by or transporting the handicapped.

(b) Handicapped Car Owners; Distinguishing License Plates. – If the handicapped person is a registered owner of a vehicle, the owner may apply for and display a distinguishing license plate. This license plate shall be issued for the normal fee applicable to standard license plates. Any vehicle owner who qualifies for a distinguishing license plate may also receive one removable windshield placard.

(c) Handicapped Drivers and Passengers; Distinguishing Placards. – A handicapped person may apply for the issuance of a removable windshield placard or a temporary removable windshield placard. Upon request, one additional placard may be issued to applicants who do not have a distinguishing license plate. Any organization which, as determined and certified by the State Vocational Rehabilitation Agency, regularly transports handicapped persons may also apply. These organizations may receive one removable windshield placard for each transporting vehicle. When the removable windshield or temporary removable windshield placard is properly displayed, all parking rights and privileges extended to vehicles displaying a distinguishing license plate issued pursuant to subsection (b) shall apply. The removable windshield placard or the temporary removable windshield placard shall be displayed so that it may be viewed from the front and rear of the vehicle by hanging it from the front windshield rearview mirror of a vehicle using a parking space allowed for handicapped persons. When there is no inside rearview mirror, or when the placard cannot reasonably be hung from the rearview mirror by the handicapped person, the placard shall be displayed on the driver's side of the dashboard. A removable windshield placard placed on a motorized wheelchair or similar vehicle shall be displayed in a clearly visible location. The Division shall establish procedures for the issuance of the placards and may charge a fee sufficient to pay the actual cost of issuance, but in no event less than five dollars ($5.00) per placard.

(c1) Application and Renewal; Physician's Certification. – The initial application for a distinguishing license plate, removable windshield placard, or temporary removable windshield placard shall be accompanied by a certification of a licensed physician, ophthalmologist, or optometrist or of the Division of Services for the Blind that the applicant is handicapped. The application for a temporary removable windshield placard shall contain additional certification to include the period of time the certifying authority determines the applicant will have the disability. Distinguishing license plates shall be renewed annually, but subsequent applications shall not require a medical certification that the applicant is handicapped. Removable windshield placards shall be renewed every five years, and the renewal shall require a medical recertification that the person is handicapped. Temporary removable windshield placards shall expire no later than six months after issuance.

(c2) Existing Placards; Expiration; Exchange for New Placards. – All existing placards shall expire on January 1, 1992. No person shall be convicted of parking in violation of this Article by reason of an expired placard if the defendant produces in court, at the time of trial on the illegal parking charge, an expired placard and a renewed placard issued within 30 days of the expiration date of the expired placard and which would have been a defense to the charge had it been issued prior to the time of the alleged offense. Existing placards issued on or after July 1, 1989, may be exchanged without charge for the new placards.

(c3) It shall be unlawful to sell a distinguishing license plate, a removable windshield placard, or a temporary removable windshield placard issued pursuant to this section. A violation of this subsection shall be a Class 2 misdemeanor and may be punished pursuant to G.S. 20‑176(c) and (c1).

(d) Designation of Parking Spaces. – Designation of parking spaces for handicapped persons on streets and public vehicular areas shall comply with G.S. 136‑30. A sign designating a parking space for handicapped persons shall state the maximum penalty for parking in the space in violation of the law.

(d1) Repealed by Session Laws 1991, c. 530, s. 4.

(e) Enforcement of Handicapped Parking Privileges. – It shall be unlawful:

(1) To park or leave standing any vehicle in a space designated with a sign pursuant to subsection (d) of this section for handicapped persons when the vehicle does not display the distinguishing license plate, removable windshield placard, or temporary removable windshield placard as provided in this section, or a disabled veteran registration plate issued under G.S. 20‑79.4;

(2) For any person not qualifying for the rights and privileges extended to handicapped persons under this section to exercise or attempt to exercise such rights or privileges by the unauthorized use of a distinguishing license plate, removable windshield placard, or temporary removable windshield placard issued pursuant to the provisions of this section;

(3) To park or leave standing any vehicle so as to obstruct a curb ramp or curb cut for handicapped persons as provided for by the North Carolina Building Code or as designated in G.S. 136‑44.14;

(4) For those responsible for designating parking spaces for the handicapped to erect or otherwise use signs not conforming to G.S. 20‑37.6(d) for this purpose.

This section is enforceable in all public vehicular areas.

(f) Penalties for Violation. –

(1) A violation of G.S. 20‑37.6(e)(1), (2) or (3) is an infraction which carries a penalty of at least one hundred dollars ($100.00) but not more than two hundred fifty dollars ($250.00) and whenever evidence shall be presented in any court of the fact that any automobile, truck, or other vehicle was found to be parked in a properly designated handicapped parking space in violation of the provisions of this section, it shall be prima facie evidence in any court in the State of North Carolina that the vehicle was parked and left in the space by the person, firm, or corporation in whose name the vehicle is registered and licensed according to the records of the Division. No evidence tendered or presented under this authorization shall be admissible or competent in any respect in any court or tribunal except in cases concerned solely with a violation of this section.

(2) A violation of G.S. 20‑37.6(e)(4) is an infraction which carries a penalty of at least one hundred dollars ($100.00) but not more than two hundred fifty dollars ($250.00) and whenever evidence shall be presented in any court of the fact that a nonconforming sign is being used it shall be prima facie evidence in any court in the State of North Carolina that the person, firm, or corporation with ownership of the property where the nonconforming sign is located is responsible for violation of this section. Building inspectors and others responsible for North Carolina State Building Code violations specified in G.S. 143‑138(h) where such signs are required by the Handicapped Section of the North Carolina State Building Code, may cause a citation to be issued for this violation and may also initiate any appropriate action or proceeding to correct such violation.

(3) A law‑enforcement officer, including a company police officer commissioned by the Attorney General under Chapter 74E, may cause a vehicle parked in violation of this section to be towed. The officer is a legal possessor as provided in G.S. 20‑161(d)(2). The officer shall not be held to answer in any civil or criminal action to any owner, lienholder or other person legally entitled to the possession of any motor vehicle removed from a space pursuant to this section, except where the motor vehicle is willfully, maliciously, or negligently damaged in the removal from the space to a place of storage.

(4) Notwithstanding any other provision of the General Statutes, the provisions of this section relative to handicapped parking shall be enforced by State, county, city and other municipal authorities in their respective jurisdictions whether on public or private property in the same manner as is used to enforce other parking laws and ordinances by said agencies. (1971, c. 374, s. 1; 1973, cc. 126, 1384; 1977, c. 340, s. 2; 1979, c. 632; 1981, c. 682, s. 7; 1983, c. 326, ss. 1, 2; 1985, c. 249; c. 586; c. 764, s. 24; 1985 (Reg. Sess., 1986), c. 852, s. 17; 1987, c. 843; 1989, c. 760, s. 3; 1989 (Reg. Sess., 1990), c. 1052, ss. 1‑3.1; 1991, c. 411, s. 2; c. 530, s. 4; c. 672, s. 5; c. 726, s. 23; c. 761, s. 5; 1991 (Reg. Sess., 1992), c. 1007, s. 30; c. 1043, s. 4; 1993, c. 373, s. 1; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 14, s. 31; 1999‑265, s. 1.)
 
Thats great! Where do you find those NC General Statutes? I've been searching them all night and cant seem to find 'em...
 
bigwaylon said:
it's similar to Fire Lanes...

a lot of businesses make their own, which you legally can't get a ticket by parking in...

width, color and markings have to be proper for them to be legal, but most people don't know which is which...

Greg

anyone know more about this? only thing i had ever heard on the subject was that there is no law regarding fire lanes, but the business gets a break on their insurance for having one. and im not confident in the accuracy of that bit.
 
grapehead said:
anyone know more about this? only thing i had ever heard on the subject was that there is no law regarding fire lanes, but the business gets a break on their insurance for having one. and im not confident in the accuracy of that bit.

It deals with the way the city ordinances are written. For instance Greensboro does not have a stipulation in the city ordinances that gives us the ability to charge for parking in a fire lane. Most places do and the police have the ability to charge.
 
So, for those of you that were not paying attention...In Greensboro it is bad to park in a handicap zone, and carries a good size fine. But, the fire zone is free parking... :D
 
About a fire lane (let me be going to a fire and fine you park in fire lane my vechicle can cause alot more damage to your vechicle)

About a handicap park(My wife is handicap and I hate it when people without handicaps park in a handicap park. If I catch you I'll make d-mn sure you get a ticket.

Just to everybody If there is a sign on a post or a sign on the ground in any color marking handicap parking just have respect for those that need it. I hate for you or a family memeber to need one of this parks and someone takes it thats not handicap. You are denying handicap people from living a normal life just cause you don't want to walk a few more feet. I think if you park in a handicap park and are not handicap you need to be TICKET AND TOWED.

This is one subject that gets me fired up!!!
 
nc854runner said:
Just to everybody If there is a sign on a post or a sign on the ground in any color marking handicap parking just have respect for those that need it.

Very nicely put!! I share your sentiment on a personal level. On a professional level, the State only allows so much.

Many of those (decorative) signs that I can not ticket for are put there by property owners that did not research the laws. This does not mean that they are needed any less by patrons or residents.
 
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