Jeep t176 ?

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What position do I need to adjust this shifter to be in neutral everytime I have adjusted it and put it back together it’s still in gear or won’t shift I have taken it on and off about 5 times
 

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Surprised someone hasn't answered yet! Only 1 I've dealt with was a 4 speed. Just put everything in neutral
& popped the shiftier back on, in neutral. Goggle it?​
 
That's basically a Ford toploader transmission. Hot rod guys will put the old jeep top covers on actual ford 3 and 4 speeds to move the shifter forward verses the side mounted shifter and external rails like they came factory.

Move the two half circle shift forks to the center detent position. Those are the 1/2 and 3/4 forks. They have three detents. If they won't move then reverse is wrong. There's an interlock pin that prevents you from moving any fork until the others are in neutral.

Next you're going to want to move the 1/2 and 3/4 synchro rings into the neutral positions. That should be self explanatory, but basically they move to their center detents also. Finally look down inside the gear set and move the reverse sliding idler gear away from mesh, I can't remember if it doesn't contact both gears at all or only one when it's in neutral but slide it all the way. When the trans is in neutral you should be able to turn the input shaft while holding the output and only feel a slight drag from the thick oil and friction.

Then start dropping the cover on and peek in there as far as you can to make sure the reverse fork is going into it's slot. The other two forks should be well into their grooves by then.

When you're done shift it through the gears with the shifter while holding the output and turning the input to verify it all works. If at any time the shafts lock up solid it's gone into two gears at once, which is kind of how a transbrake on a drag car automatic works. If that happens you'll have to pull it apart again. The most common thing is you'll miss the reverse gear, it'll be able to slide it into gear but not pull it back out.
 
Tim C said:
That's basically a Ford toploader transmission. Hot rod guys will put the old jeep top covers on actual ford 3 and 4 speeds to move the shifter forward verses the side mounted shifter and external rails like they came factory.



Move the two half circle shift forks to the center detent position. Those are the 1/2 and 3/4 forks. They have three detents. If they won't move then reverse is wrong. There's an interlock pin that prevents you from moving any fork until the others are in neutral.

Next you're going to want to move the 1/2 and 3/4 synchro rings into the neutral positions. That should be self explanatory, but basically they move to their center detents also. Finally look down inside the gear set and move the reverse sliding idler gear away from mesh, I can't remember if it doesn't contact both gears at all or only one when it's in neutral but slide it all the way. When the trans is in neutral you should be able to turn the input shaft while holding the output and only feel a slight drag from the thick oil and friction.

Then start dropping the cover on and peek in there as far as you can to make sure the reverse fork is going into it's slot. The other two forks should be well into their grooves by then.

When you're done shift it through the gears with the shifter while holding the output and turning the input to verify it all works. If at any time the shafts lock up solid it's gone into two gears at once, which is kind of how a transbrake on a drag car automatic works. If that happens you'll have to pull it apart again. The most common thing is you'll miss the reverse gear, it'll be able to slide it into gear but not pull it back out.
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So I got the shift fork figured out I think but trans is still acting like it’s in gear I was just told to get it out of gear it would have to be torn down/ rebuilt here a picture I cannot get any of the gears to move I thought it was in neutral but was not I have had the cover/shifter off 6to 10 times today
 
In the picture above it's in both 2nd gear and 4th. Both synchronizer rings need to be slid down one detent so they unlock from the teeth on the gears. I can't see reverse in that pic.
 
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See these two smooth sections. Slide them back or down. The brass/yellow gears are synchros. The smooth gear sections should have a brass synchro on either side to be in the neutral position.


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I got it fingered out but can’t get this pice to move what do I have to do to get it to unlock and move. And which gear is this it’s stuck in now


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Double check that the reverse gear is in neutral position like Tim said. Sometimes they are tight on the detents and you may need a long screw driver to shift them.
Put the transfer case in neutral first. That way there won’t be any load on the gears.



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josh m said:
Double check that the reverse gear is in neutral position like Tim said. Sometimes they are tight on the detents and you may need a long screw driver to shift them.
Put the transfer case in neutral first. That way there won’t be any load on the gears.



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Which one is the reverse gear ?
 
It’s in the bottom. There’s a top shaft for forward gears, a intermediate “middle shaft” and the lower shaft is the reverse shaft. Follow the long fork on the shifter cover, that’s where the reverse gear cog is. Flashlight and a long screwdriver might help with that too.


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It’s in the bottom. There’s a top shaft for forward gears, a intermediate “middle shaft” and the lower shaft is the reverse shaft. Follow the long fork on the shifter cover, that’s where the reverse gear cog is. Flashlight and a long screwdriver might help with that too.


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what gear is it in maybe I could set up the shifter for that gear and drop back together now since it’s not in 2 gears at once
 

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From the top of the picture to the bottom is 4, 3, 2, 1 with reverse driving the straight bcut teeth on the 1/2 synchro. In the pic you posted it's in at least 4th gear. I can't see reverse because it's down inside.

You have to get everything in neutral before assembly. The shifter and top cover won't allow it to be in multiple gears due to the interlock pin, but with the cover off someone can put in multiple gears (and did here). Try prying it out of 4th with a screwdriver or pry bar. If it doesn't come out with a sharp bump then the synchronizer may be jammed and the whole mess will need to come apart (at that point I'd get new bearings and blocking rings because it's the same labor as a rebuild, may as well do it). If 3/4 pops into neutral then verify reverse is in neutral and put it together.

If you need to see how reverse works because you don't understand, search manual transmission on howstuffworks.com for the basics or watch a video on YouTube. The t176 and Ford toploader are the same guts basically, the shifting mechanism is different though, but a video may show how reverse idler works for you.

Like I said above there's a sliding gear that connects the top (main or output) shaft, (the one with the synchro sliders) to the counter (or cluster) shaft which is at the bottom of the case directly under it. If the sliding reverse idler is touching both shafts it's in reverse. If reverse is in neutral too then the gear will be slid the other way and will only contact one gear or none at all (I can't remember which way that transmission does it).
 
Tim C said:
From the top of the picture to the bottom is 4, 3, 2, 1 with reverse driving the straight bcut teeth on the 1/2 synchro. In the pic you posted it's in at least 4th gear. I can't see reverse because it's down inside.

You have to get everything in neutral before assembly. The shifter and top cover won't allow it to be in multiple gears due to the interlock pin, but with the cover off someone can put in multiple gears (and did here). Try prying it out of 4th with a screwdriver or pry bar. If it doesn't come out with a sharp bump then the synchronizer may be jammed and the whole mess will need to come apart (at that point I'd get new bearings and blocking rings because it's the same labor as a rebuild, may as well do it). If 3/4 pops into neutral then verify reverse is in neutral and put it together.

If you need to see how reverse works because you don't understand, search manual transmission on howstuffworks.com for the basics or watch a video on YouTube. The t176 and Ford toploader are the same guts basically, the shifting mechanism is different though, but a video may show how reverse idler works for you.

Like I said above there's a sliding gear that connects the top (main or output) shaft, (the one with the synchro sliders) to the counter (or cluster) shaft which is at the bottom of the case directly under it. If the sliding reverse idler is touching both shafts it's in reverse. If reverse is in neutral too then the gear will be slid the other way and will only contact one gear or none at all (I can't remember which way that transmission does it).
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got it to slide back but as soon as I put shifter back on it shot it back out I’m so frustrated with this thing it’s my daily driver and it’s been down since Saturday been having to have my girlfriend drive me to and from work and anywhere else
 
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