Need your Vote - 4x4cross A and B class, nitrous or no nitrous?

[Ricky B]

Need ya'lls input on this one, if you've seen the thread in the events section the recent issue has been about nitrous and weather or not it should be allowed in A and B class's since these classes are for your DD every day wheeler type rig.

My argument for nitrous has been the same for the larger engine vehicles vrs the smaller ones, the fact that our course is specifically designed to keep larger powered rigs from being able to really open up

On the other hand is the concern that this changes the A and B class from the everyday average guy racers to real race rigs.

And I understand this complaint, A and B class was and has always been aimed at the average almost DD type rigs, C class at the more modified, yet still average joe, backyard built rigs, and D class for the all out guys. By no means do I want to butt out the guys that have supported this event since day one

This event is pretty much planned, ran, and raced event by people that are a majority from nc4x4, can't thank you all enough for the support and continued input :Rockon:

 

[Reid]

i say no. not if the classes are geared towards DDs.

i dont think that would shut anyone out. if you have nitrous on your A class, just dont use it, you can still race.

On the other hand....is there really anywhere that nitrous would benefit? I mean, chances are, if you havent built your truck well enough to rank in the C or D class, chances are you havent shelled out the bucks for a nitrous kit and the associated engine rebuild necessary.

 

[blazeproc]

Just going on racing last year. If I would have had NOS then Spotter or I would have been maimed or killed not to mention other stuff. I dont know its really up to the racers so Im not going to vote.

 

[snappy]

NOS is only going to increase my chances because I won't be running it. The more people that try to run it on truck with xxx,xxx amount of miles there will be a few that go boom. So I say let them eat and get some if they think it will help.

 

[Tacoma747]

 

[Dylan W.]

I see good points on both sides...i would like the excitement of watching someone spray and/or blow....But i dont like the idea of someone not signing up and racing because they are worried about fairness. I would say from a business standpoint, that if I had 2 ''sprayers'' v/s losing 5 potential racers, i would disallow the spray and gain the five racers.
So , from what I have heard through the grapevine...i vote no spray.

Just to add...I wont be discouraged either way.

 

[jeepn-jason]

IF I had to guess there will be zero competitors with nos.

 

[hscrugby]

I would say DEFINITELY a nono in class A.
Probably in class B too.
NOS is just going to make it way to dangerous in those type classes I think.
To much chance of throwing a cheap NOS kit in there, spraying in a vehicle that isn't setup right, and not being able to handle it.

 

[StretchASU]

I would love to see some average joe with their thumb on the Go Baby Go button during their run but at the same time the blown motors and halfassed driving would make for a lot more painful and arduous cleanup after the event. Just my .02

 

[RatLabGuy]

Oh shit man I missed my chance, NOS on the $30XJ last year would have been bad-ass. And doubled it's value.

I say No in A, don't care about the rest.

 

[braxton357]

Well, I for one built a nice n2o setup for the heep just for this race and will be racing in B class again this year. If this makes it unfair, why not really even it all out and make guys with v8's pull 2 plugs so they're equal to the inline 6 guys? Or 4 so they're on the same level as the guy in the sammi.
This is far from spec racing, especially after the A class...I mean, you can have anywhere from stock to 37" tires, two lockers, longarms, a hacked frame, etc. in the B class...why change the rules now?

 

[Reid]

If this makes it unfair, why not really even it all out and make guys with v8's pull 2 plugs so they're equal to the inline 6 guys?

you assume a V8 is better than I6.

 

[braxton357]

If the I6 says "Daimler chrysler" or "Jeep" on it anywhere, then yes. Besides, the 4.0 really isn't much lighter than a sbc or sbf at all...so yes it would be an advantage.

 

[Mac5005]

No spray in A class, the others, Spray and Pray.

 

[Dylan W.]

Why not just say A class...NO nos in a class...up to 33 inch tires...lifts kits ok(tire size limits clearance and additional rig heigth is no advantage)Stock type suspension(No longarms)
NO front locker...Rear locker/weld is OK fender trimming OK

B. class Up to 36 inch tires, lockers OK,NOS OK,Must have 75% of frame(no full tube buggies) Some body mods...basicaly, the average wheeler.

C. class up to 38 inch tires, NOS allowed, based on a a stock type frame, not tube chassis. Add as many tubes as you want, as long as they are attatched to 25 % of a stock frame. Must have 25% of a stock frame.

D class...Whatever you wanna run! Unlimited...Big boys and buggy class.

 

[Ricky B]

Well, I for one built a nice n2o setup for the heep just for this race and will be racing in B class again this year. If this makes it unfair, why not really even it all out and make guys with v8's pull 2 plugs so they're equal to the inline 6 guys? Or 4 so they're on the same level as the guy in the sammi.

Right the idea is that the course is setup to keep the larger powered rigs from getting away from the smaller powered ones, I mean if someone in a big powered rig overdoes it they are going to either fly off the course or launch off one of the jumps or natural launch's way to hard and break or loose control, this is all about handling, maneuverability, smart drivers, etc.

This is far from spec racing, especially after the A class...I mean, you can have anywhere from stock to 37" tires, two lockers, longarms, a hacked frame, etc. in the B class...why change the rules now?

Quote from the website:

-B Class - up to 37" tall tires, 90% stock frame, lockers ok, stock type
suspension, no forced induction unless it came from the factory that
way

stock type suspension is not a long arm suspension, long arms not allowed in B class, same as last year, and 90% frame isn't really hacked IMO. Not trying to call you out just wanted to clarify.

I'm starting to think that nos shouldnt be allowed in B class either if not in A class, i mean most rigs with 35's are never heavily modified and usually DD's with some lift, I don't wanna close them out since they were a big part of last years race.




keep up the feedback, btw the 37's rule in B class has already been decided to be changed to 35" limit

the idea was that the rules are tha smae as last year except i had changed the B class limit to 37's and C class limit to 40's and allowed nitrous, those are the topics that are currently up for discussion all though B class is not going to be 37's anymore, but I do like the 40's in C class

 

[ALLIANCE HTW]

I would have to say no in the A class. From B class and up sure!

 

[SHINTON]

If it is gonna keep people from racing / don't allow it...

If I was gonna really "try" and win this thing I would take something with a v8 / tweak the heck outta the suspension (think JEEPSPEED) and NOS it and put on 33s to qualify for the A race then 35s or 36s (if I thought I needed em for clearance) for the B race.

I would spend all my time and money on building an engine (think drag racers) that could handle it and the suspension to soak up the bumps / help me corner well.

 

[braxton357]

Quote from the website:
stock type suspension is not a long arm suspension, long arms not allowed in B class, same as last year, and 90% frame isn't really hacked IMO. Not trying to call you out just wanted to clarify.
I'm starting to think that nos shouldnt be allowed in B class either if not in A class, i mean most rigs with 35's are never heavily modified and usually DD's with some lift, I don't wanna close them out since they were a big part of last years race.
keep up the feedback, btw the 37's rule in B class has already been decided to be changed to 35" limit

Here are the exact rules from last year:

3.

B CLASS – MODIFIED STOCK: This class is for basically stock production vehicles with a few aftermarket upgrades. This is the Rubicon class.

1. BONE STOCK RUBICON
2. 35" tires
3. Stock type suspension - LONG ARM OK
4. Stock wheelbase
5. No motor swaps
6. Lockers OK

If LA's weren't allowed, that would have disqualified a lot of the B class... The same as in we-rock/uroc stock mod rules..."stock type" meaning no swapping coils for leaves, or coilovers for coils/no stretching the wb 12 inches, etc.

And if LA's aren't allowed in B class, why would it specifically state "no long arms" for A class but say nothing for B? I mean, it's your race--your rules. But that would screw quite a few people over.

 

[y2kcrawler]

I say use it if ya have it. If someone has NOS and wants to use it the so be it. I doubt anyone will spray anyways....

 

[RatLabGuy]

Here are the exact rules from last year:
If LA's weren't allowed, that would have disqualified a lot of the B class... The same as in we-rock/uroc stock mod rules..."stock type" meaning no swapping coils for leaves, or coilovers for coils/no stretching the wb 12 inches, etc.
And if LA's aren't allowed in B class, why would it specifically state "no long arms" for A class but say nothing for B? I mean, it's your race--your rules. But that would screw quite a few people over.

this is a good point.
In fact on many vehicles, by the time you have 35s, you pretty much HAVE to have long arms, unless you've completely removed the sheet metal

 

[Dylan W.]

Yeah Ricky, there are a ton of long arm'ed rigs that will fall into the ''B'' calss, but are not ready for the ''c'' class. For instance, i have lockers,longarms, and am running 35's on my xj. I would'nt fit in anywhere with these rules. I would'nt be competitive in the ''c'' class, but my long arms would keep me from ''b'' class. There are tons of rigs, that are just like me...without a class.
I keep talking about last years rules, cause they worked.

 

[Dylan W.]

Yeah Ricky, there are a ton of long arm'ed rigs that will fall into the ''B'' calss, but are not ready for the ''c'' class. For instance, i have lockers,longarms, and am running 35's on my xj. I would'nt fit in anywhere with these rules. I would'nt be competitive in the ''c'' class, but my long arms would keep me from ''b'' class. There are tons of rigs, that are just like me...without a class.
I keep talking about last years rules, cause they worked.

There was also a rule that allowed an ifs rig, that had swapped to solid front axle, could compete in the ''b'' class.
Also, if someone had taken their front leaf springs out and replaced them with coils instead...that was ok for ''B'' class too. Its mostly about the tire size.
You should do a new poll that says
-----last years rules
-----new rules
I still vote, No nos in ''a'' class and nos is allowed in ''B
class and up!

 

[RatLabGuy]

There are tons of people, that are just like me...without class.

QFT lol

 

[Dylan W.]

QFT lol

You're a few beekers shy of a science project ,aint ya?