New Decade?

John B.

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Maybe I am over thinking this but it always seems to confuse me. Can someone help explain why everyone is referring to 2010 as the beginning of a new decade. Since "deca" means ten, it would seem to me that a decade would be the completion of ten years which would not be accomplished until December 31st at midnight of the tenth year. In other words, I think the new decade would begin 12:00 a.m. Jan. 1, 2011.

I am assuming that we began counting time @ year 1 instead year 0.
 
Thanks...I completely missed that thread.
 
Id say this is wrong....

You dont start the day at 1:00, you start it at 0:00

Yes and no. This is simply the second after 23:59:59 which is not zero. 0:00 marks the completion 24 hours and is not zero. All of the minutes accumulating from 0:01 to 1:00 are all a part of 1:00. The minutes before 1:00 make up that hour of time and are not considered zero. There is no time or minutes (numbers) that make up zero.

Minutes in this respect are much like the months of the year that make up or complete said year.

You learn to count starting at 1 not 0. Zero is a quantity of no importance
 

Maybe... or maybe not... if you ask Ron :beer:

The real question (and problem) lays in history.
Technically Minute 1 of the first year would be Year 0 b/c traditionally we cound years as time that has passed, e.g. birthdays etc yadda yada, you become 1 when you are 12 months old, before that time you are not yet 1.
However, (and this varies by sources), our current calandar and dating wasn't derived until quite osme time after the event to which is it tagged (Christ).
Many people claim that the folks who declared "the beginning" tagged the first year as being "1", meaning the first "day" was 1/1/1, not 1/1/0 as it should have been. Making those people complete morons for not knowing how to count the passage of time properly...
... but if this is true (which, again varies by source) then it means we are stuck with this idiocy and in fact are behind by 1 year... and thus have not yet completed 201 decades.
Personally I fail to accept (admit) this fallacy but who knows.

But by all logical truth, and how we count decades for social purposes - yep, new decade.
 
So should I be scared of 12/21/12, 12/21/11, or 12/21/13?
 
Many people claim that the folks who declared "the beginning" tagged the first year as being "1", meaning the first "day" was 1/1/1, not 1/1/0 as it should have been. Making those people complete morons for not knowing how to count the passage of time properly...

If starting at 1/1/1 is moronic why isn't 1/1/0 moronic. At least 1/1/1 is a consistant idea. A true starting from zero idea means the beginning would have been dated 0/0/0. The following day would've been 0/1/0.......0/31/0, 1/1/0....all the way to 12/31/0, then 1/1/1.

Or is that really over thinking it?
 
except year 0 is really year 4 as there was a miscalculation. On a side note.....2012 the end of the world.................happened 2 years ago.
 
oh...and dont forget leap years....after every cycle of 365 years we have lost an entire year to the leap year process.
 
oct 10th 1582.

wanna know something else screwed up about our calendar....explain what happened on this day.
 
oh...and dont forget leap years....after every cycle of 365 years we have lost an entire year to the leap year process.


Huh? how do you figure that one?

Leap years are in place so that we DO NOT lose(or rather, gain) years. They keep our calendar in time wiht the solar system.
 
Huh? how do you figure that one?

Leap years are in place so that we DO NOT lose(or rather, gain) years. They keep our calendar in time wiht the solar system.

oops, your right, we gain a year every 365 years.

but that is not why we have leap years.


We have leap years to keep easter at the same time of the year.
 
haha...no. we have leap years so that the solar calendar, what we base our days on, does not shift to far from the lunar calendar, what the catholics base their holidays on.

whole gregorian calendar (the calendar we use today) is a roman catholic concept thing, a way of making sure easter does not come later that the the Roman new year march something (or maybe the new year needed to come first..i dunno, i should go wiki these things before i post.


and going back to the years lost/gain thing. now that you have me thinking about it, the miscalculation of 4 years has now been corrected plus one through the use of leap years. the end of next year woud bring on the 2012 doomsday time frame....

and that brings us to the answer to the whole thread.......the end of the decade is next year.


rattie was wrong...his wife was right.
 
I knew I should be more concerned. Time to spend my life savings on doomsday flyers and spend all my time on the corner.
 
haha...no. we have leap years so that the solar calendar, what we base our days on, does not shift to far from the lunar calendar, what the catholics base their holidays on.
whole gregorian calendar (the calendar we use today) is a roman catholic concept thing, a way of making sure easter does not come later that the the Roman new year march something (or maybe the new year needed to come first..i dunno, i should go wiki these things before i post.
and going back to the years lost/gain thing. now that you have me thinking about it, the miscalculation of 4 years has now been corrected plus one through the use of leap years. the end of next year woud bring on the 2012 doomsday time frame....
and that brings us to the answer to the whole thread.......the end of the decade is next year.
rattie was wrong...his wife was right.


*sigh*
No the holidays have nothing to do with leap years.
It all based on solar/lunar tables.
The orbit is not pure (spherical)
It does not take 365 days for the earth to orbit 1 complete time around the sun.
it most appropriately takes 365.26 days, buuuut.... its not that simple. As I said it is not a pure orbit. So some years take longer some shorter.
If we did not add the day every 4 years we would soon (100 years or so) have snow in June....and we cant go have seasons changing or that throws up all sorts of prophecy flags.
 
Thank you SKYHI

It has absolutely ZERO to do with the holiday, all to do with matching the natural orbit of our planet around the sun.
 
oct 10th 1582.
wanna know something else screwed up about our calendar....explain what happened on this day.

This marks the beginning of the now used Gregorian calendar which has 97 leap days every 400 years instead of 100 leap days that most would believe. The Gregorian calendar indicates that a leap year must be divisble by 100 and 400. This rule excluded three days every 400 years that would normally be a leap year using the every four years rule. Since 1582, years 1700, 1800 and 1900 have been excluded. The next three will be 2100, 2200 and 2300. This keeps everything to within .5 minutes of accuracy every year.
 
didnt really mean to start a debate on the subject, but the entire founding of the way we calculate a year was so to affix easter to a certain time of the year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar
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Gregorian reform
The motivation of the Catholic Church in adjusting the calendar was to celebrate Easter at the time it thought the First Council of Nicaea had agreed upon in 325. Although a canon of the council implies that all churches used the same Easter, they did not. The Church of Alexandria celebrated Easter on the Sunday after the 14th day of the moon (computed using the Metonic cycle) that falls on or after the vernal equinox, which they placed on 21 March. However, the Church of Rome still regarded 25 March as the equinox (until 342) and used a different cycle to compute the day of the moon.[13] In the Alexandrian system, since the 14th day of the Easter moon could fall at earliest on 21 March its first day could fall no earlier than 8 March and no later than 5 April. This meant that Easter varied between 22 March and 25 April. In Rome, Easter was not allowed to fall later than 21 April, that being the day of the Parilia or birthday of Rome and a pagan festival. The first day of the Easter moon could fall no earlier than 5 March and no later than 2 April. Easter was the Sunday after the 15th day of this moon, whose 14th day was allowed to precede the equinox. Where the two systems produced different dates there was generally a compromise so that both churches were able to celebrate on the same day. By the tenth century all churches (except some on the eastern border of the Byzantine Empire) had adopted the Alexandrian Easter, which still placed the vernal equinox on 21 March, although Bede had already noted its drift in 725—it had drifted even further by the sixteenth century.
Worse, the reckoned Moon that was used to compute Easter was fixed to the Julian year by a 19 year cycle. However, that approximation built up an error of one day every 310 years, so by the sixteenth century the lunar calendar was out of phase with the real Moon by four days.
The Council of Trent approved a plan in 1563 for correcting the calendrical errors, requiring that the date of the vernal equinox be restored to that which it held at the time of the First Council of Nicaea in 325 and that an alteration to the calendar be designed to prevent future drift. This would allow for a more consistent and accurate scheduling of the feast of Easter.
The fix was to come in two stages. First, it was necessary to approximate the correct length of a solar year. The value chosen was 365.2425 days in decimal notation.[14] Although close to the mean tropical year of 365.24219 days, it is even closer to the vernal equinox year of 365.2424 days; this fact made the choice of approximation particularly appropriate as the purpose of creating the calendar was to ensure that the vernal equinox would be near a specific date (21 March). (See Accuracy).
The second stage was to devise a model based on the approximation which would provide an accurate yet simple, rule-based calendar. The formula designed by Aloysius Lilius was ultimately successful. It proposed a 10-day correction to revert the drift since Nicaea, and the imposition of a leap day in only 97 years in 400 rather than in 1 year in 4. To implement the model, it was provided that years divisible by 100 would be leap years only if they were divisible by 400 as well. So, in the last millennium, 1600 and 2000 were leap years, but 1700, 1800 and 1900 were not. In this millennium, 2100, 2200, 2300 and 2500 will not be leap years, but 2400 will be. This theory was expanded upon by Christopher Clavius in a closely argued, 800 page volume. He would later defend his and Lilius's work against detractors.
The 19-year cycle used for the lunar calendar was also to be corrected by one day every 300 or 400 years (8 times in 2500 years) along with corrections for the years (1700, 1800, 1900, 2100 et cetera) that are no longer leap years. In fact, a new method for computing the date of Easter was introduced.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_year
In the Gregorian calendar, the current standard calendar in most of the world, most years that are evenly divisible by 4 are leap years. In each leap year, the month of February has 29 days instead of 28. Adding an extra day to the calendar every four years compensates for the fact that a period of 365 days is shorter than a solar year by almost 6 hours.
Perpetual Gregorian calendar starting from 15. October 1582However, some exceptions to this rule are required since the duration of a solar year is slightly less than 365.25 days. Years that are evenly divisible by 100 are not leap years, unless they are also evenly divisible by 400, in which case they are leap years.[1][2] For example, 1600 and 2000 were leap years, but 1700, 1800 and 1900 were not. Similarly, 2100, 2200, 2300, 2500, 2600, 2700, 2900, and 3000 will not be leap years, but 2400 and 2800 will be. By this rule, the average number of days per year will be 365 + 1/4 − 1/100 + 1/400 = 365.2425, which is 365 days, 5 hours, 49 minutes, and 12 seconds. The Gregorian calendar was designed to keep the vernal equinox on or close to March 21, so that the date of Easter (celebrated on the Sunday after the 14th day of the Moon—i.e. a full moon—that falls on or after March 21) remains correct with respect to the vernal equinox.[3] The vernal equinox year is about 365.242374 days long (and increasing).
The marginal difference of 0.000125 days between the Gregorian calendar average year and the actual year means that, in around 8,000 years, the calendar will be about one day behind where it is now. But in 8,000 years, the length of the vernal equinox year will have changed by an amount that cannot be accurately predicted (see below). Therefore, the current Gregorian calendar suffices for practical purposes, and the correction suggested by John Herschel of making 4000 a non-leap year will probably not be necessary.
 
This marks the beginning of the now used Gregorian calendar which has 97 leap days every 400 years instead of 100 leap days that most would believe. The Gregorian calendar indicates that a leap year must be divisble by 100 and 400. This rule excluded three days every 400 years that would normally be a leap year using the every four years rule. Since 1582, years 1700, 1800 and 1900 have been excluded. The next three will be 2100, 2200 and 2300. This keeps everything to within .5 minutes of accuracy every year.

Correction...the bold should read "100 year or century leap years must also be divisible by 400".
 
Between Skihi and Big red...you 2 are amongst the best debators I have ever seen.
You guys are the masters of the art.









































Heres to you 2...The MASTERBATORS!:beer:
 
i owe it all to wiki. beats the hell out of having to drive all the way to Sky's house with a trunk load of encyclopedia britanicas just to prove a point!!!
 
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