NP 241D info

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Ok so I went to pull a part a while ago and pulled an NP241 out of a Dodge 1500. Looks like this. Has slip outputs front and rear. Images were "borrowed" from eBay.
NP241D.jpg


I'm wanting to swap the outputs to fixed yokes. Like this one I found on eBay. This is a NP 241 D Passenger drop.

PD NP241D.jpg


When I pulled the 241 I didn't notice the slip yoke outputs. Case is currently installed in the "race Jeep." Anyone ever tried this? I also notices some other 241 cases on eBay. DHD and DLD which I believe are out of cummins trucks and I assume much different. Anyone have a 241 blown up and can gets parts from or know what years or models of trucks I need to be looking for in the yards to get what I want?
 
early mid 90s is the np241 you want to look for, will have fixed yoke front output like jeep cases, rear is still slip yoke. that's what I'm getting for my rear case and those years will be manual shift
 
as mentioned you would need one out of a 88-94 (maybe 95 will work) Chevy/GMC 1500 I got mine out of a 1994 Silverado. If money isn't a issue call Transfer case Express and get it. problem is they like Vin numbers to ensure you get the right case.
 
early mid 90s is the np241 you want to look for, will have fixed yoke front output like jeep cases, rear is still slip yoke. that's what I'm getting for my rear case and those years will be manual shift

Well, of course it's going to be manual shift. It ends in a 1. :shaking:

In "case" nobody knew this...(see what I did there? :D )

NP/NVG - New Process Gear/New Venture Gear, that's who makes them.

2 - that means it's 2 speed

4 - denotes relative case strength (i.e. - a 271 is stronger and larger than a 241)

1 - means it's manual shift, part time 4wd


First Number: The number of speeds. If it is a standard high range, neutral, low range transfer case, the number is 2. If it is a single speed with no low range, like a 133, it gets a 1.

Second Number: The size of the case, physically, and has a lot to do with how strong the case is. The case sizes current are: 2, 3, 4, 6, 7. With 22X being the smallest and 27X series being the largest.

Third Number: The third number tells you what type of 4wd system is in the transfer case. Current systems are designated by: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7.

1 - Part time transfer case, manually
shifted. When in 4wd, front and rear driveshafts are locked together. If its a 2 speed tcase, then it would have 4 positions, 2wd, 4wd, N, 4 low
part-time . These cases are shifted by a
lever on the floor. Example: 231, 241, 261, 271.

2 - Part time transfer case plus Full time,
manually shifted. A geared differential is used to allow the driveshafts to turn at different speeds, while still applying torque. Some are 4 position and some are 5. 4 position have 4FT,
4PT, N, 4LPT. 5 position boxes get a true 2wd where the differential is bypassed and all the torque goes to the rear driveshaft. These cases are shifted by a lever on the floor. Example: 242, 242HD, 242AMG

3 - Part time transfer case, electrically
shifted. Everything is the same as a -1-, except an electric motor is used to shift the transfer case. Instead of a lever on the floor, you have a button or a dial on the dash. Example: 133, 233, 243, 263, 273.

4 - Part time transfer case plus Full time,
electrically shifted. Everything is the same as a -2-, except an electric motor is used to shift the transfer case. Instead of a lever on the floor, you have a button or a dial on the dash. Example - 244

6 - Active on demand System. Front and rear axles are constantly monitored electronically to detect any differences in speed due to wheel slippage. When a speed difference is detected, a computer
signals the transfer case clutch pack to engage. Torque transfer is transparent to the driver, meaning the driver can't tell it happened. Basically, AutoTrac. Example: 226, 236, 246

7 - Progressive on demand system. The vehicle operates in 2WD. When traction is lost by one of the driving wheels, power is automatically transferred to the other axle.
Example: 247

This doesn't apply to older stuff like the NP203, NP205, or NP208, but those are pretty easy to identify.


So what is the transfer case going in? That'll help determine what you need to pull one from or look for. What transmission is it being bolted to? You can always swap inputs around between cases. A lot of parts interchange netween NP/NVG cases, but some are clocked a little differently than others and/or the bolt pattern on the mating flanges are spaced out differently.
 
The HDs had a 29 spline input, wider chain, and a PTO provision on them.

All of them seem to have a slip yoke rear output.

The fixed yoke case you posted a picture of would be found in 88-93 Dodge trucks. Prior to 88, they used an NP208 which is basically the same thing. They'd most likely be 23 spline inputs.
 
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The HDs had a 29 spline input, wider chain, and a PTO provision on them.

All of them seem to have a slip yoke rear output.

The fixed yoke case you posted a picture of would be found in 88-93 Dodge trucks. Prior to 88, they used an NP208 which is basically the same thing. They'd most likely be 23 spline inputs.
Right I was thinking of I can find a damaged case I can convert my good one. Maybe even turn the rear output down for a fixed yoke.
 
Sooo...you need a driver's drop case with fixed yokes, right? The only case that comes to mind is a Ford NP271. That probably wouldn't do you any good, but I do have a few of them laying around. They're pretty massive.

You can definitely make it happen, but that cheap/free thing might be the hang up :D
 
Sooo...you need a driver's drop case with fixed yokes, right? The only case that comes to mind is a Ford NP271. That probably wouldn't do you any good, but I do have a few of them laying around. They're pretty massive.

You can definitely make it happen, but that cheap/free thing might be the hang up :D
Know what input splines those np271s are
 
They're 31 or 34. I swapped my 273 to 29 spline though so it'd bolt up to an Allison. I'm pretty sure you can use a 32 spline input from another NP or NVG case. A lot of parts will interchange.
 
Sooo...you need a driver's drop case with fixed yokes, right? The only case that comes to mind is a Ford NP271. That probably wouldn't do you any good, but I do have a few of them laying around. They're pretty massive.

You can definitely make it happen, but that cheap/free thing might be the hang up :D
Yea that is probably way too big. I have the 241D in the race jeep now. I'm just trying to get normal driveshafts yokes for the front and rear. Trying to figure out exactly what I'm looking for too. If I can get another case cheap like I got this one, $100 from Columbia Pul a part, I'll see if my machinist friend can help me make it a fixed yoke rear.
 
Just depends on how much room you have. You could get one of these real cheap.
 
They're 31 or 34. I swapped my 273 to 29 spline though so it'd bolt up to an Allison. I'm pretty sure you can use a 32 spline input from another NP or NVG case. A lot of parts will interchange.
Are they that much stronger than 241...especially for a rear 2nd case? If so, how much for one in case its worth looking into it. Thanks
 
They're probably the strongest chain drive case you can get. They're freaking huge. Almost two feet across. Rated at 7890 lbf-ft/17,500 lb GVW rating.

You could get one for like 100 bucks. I bought a pallet full of them a while back.
 
Right I was thinking of I can find a damaged case I can convert my good one. Maybe even turn the rear output down for a fixed yoke.

I have a 241d that some of the insides decided they'd rather be on the outside. I've been keeping it to use the input shaft and planetary gear for an eco box, I can look and see if the outputs are still good and you're welcome to them if we can get them to you.

Duane
 
I have a 241d that some of the insides decided they'd rather be on the outside. I've been keeping it to use the input shaft and planetary gear for an eco box, I can look and see if the outputs are still good and you're welcome to them if we can get them to you.

Duane
That is what I'm looking for!
 
That is what I'm looking for!

I'm out of town until this weekend. When I get home I'll dig it out, clean it up, and see what all is fubar and what is still good.

Duane
 
I'm out of town until this weekend. When I get home I'll dig it out, clean it up, and see what all is fubar and what is still good.

Duane
Did you ever check that case out?
 
Did you ever check that case out?

Not yet. Been catching up on other stuff from being gone for a week and a half. It's on my list for tomorrow or Wednesday.

Duane
 
They were behind 360 powered trucks for years if that tells ya anything

Can't speak for AMC, but 80's Dodge 360's weren't exactly powerhouses haha. But I have seen them live behind some healthy big blocks. My dad has one in his RC, hasn't broke yet.

Duane
 
FWIW, GM 208s and 241s are almost identical. Pretty stout too.
 
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