OBA-----York or CO2 can

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looking at getting some OBA for my 00' TJ...........but i cant decide to go with the york set-up or just breaking down and getting the co2 kind......

lets here the pro and cons of both if you have them

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I have had both, I like the york best. No going to fill it, no running out at the worst times. And if you are a smart shopper, cheaper too.
 
i also have had it both ways (insert joke here) and no doubt about it i like the co2 tanks better.

no waiting to fill a tire
you can seat a bead
they last a very long time and i run 40s
have full pressure until they are empty
take up way less space
excellent for running air tools
MOBILE AIR so you and your air source can walk down the clogged up trail to offer assistance
compressors fail and wear out, they are not made to compress outside dirty air
i keep an extra tank in the the tow rig so i never run dry
ive never spent more than 20 bucks to have 15lb. filled up
 
john you're a dumb ass.... just wait until I get my CO2 set -up done and then you can compare my CO2 to Bill or Darrins OBA. After seeing Terri Moorefield CO2 set up... no question in my mind!
 
mbalbritton said:
john you're a dumb ass.... just wait until I get my CO2 set -up done and then you can compare my CO2 to Bill or Darrins OBA. After seeing Terri Moorefield CO2 set up... no question in my mind!
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im going to report you to my good friend caver dave for talking to me that way :flipoff2: .............

i was trying to get some info cause i might just get the stuff at the same time you do..............
 
no waiting to fill a tire *** No waiting with OBA either and I run 39.5s
you can seat a bead *** I can seat a bead with my OBA
they last a very long time and i run 40s*** OBA lasts longer/never runs out
have full pressure until they are empty***OBA has full pressure too
take up way less space*** ??? I have no tanks & it all fits under the hood
excellent for running air tools***good point. OBA with out tanks doesn't run air tools very well.
MOBILE AIR so you and your air source can walk down the clogged up trail to offer assistance***excellent point. I carry extra hose lengths, but they only go so far.
compressors fail and wear out, they are not made to compress outside dirty air***They don't fail very often, no more than a water pump or alt, etc. I use an air filter on mine.
i keep an extra tank in the the tow rig so i never run dry***No need to carry extras taking up even more space.
ive never spent more than 20 bucks to have 15lb. filled up***My air is FREE !
I've got less than $75 invested in my OBA :p

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JB
 
JB, you can seat a bead with your OBA and no tank? Have you had to do that before? I only question it because seating a bead on the trail typically requires a bunch of airflow, since conditions are rarely close to ideal.
 
I've got $100.00 into my OBA and thats buying the comp as well. I've just done mine and it suits my purpose as well. The down side is you loose A/C I'm fine with that and I've seen many comps last a very long time if you keep up with them. I can replace the comp for $35.00 and don't have to pay for any refills either. To me it's cheaper to switch the A/C over than buying a bottle. $140.00 then $20.00 a refill? Already have almost twice what I did pluss they have to refill. Go to car-part.com if you don't have a comp or check the price. You'll find it's cheaper to go OBA than you think.
 
Rich said:
JB, you can seat a bead with your OBA and no tank? Have you had to do that before? I only question it because seating a bead on the trail typically requires a bunch of airflow, since conditions are rarely close to ideal.
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Yes, I have had to do it more than once too. One winter trip to Callantee I keep losing the bead on my chrome wagon wheel rims. (to cold and lazy to but the beadlocks on) I did it like 3 times that trip, till I finally quite trying to run 8psi in a non bead locked rim. Finally put 12 psi in and had no more problems. You're right though Rich, it does take some air delivery to do it, but I've been able to do it and I don't even have a York. Just an axial compressor out of a Camero ..... :rolleyes: But it works just fine. :)
It was cold ! I have an all weather vehicle, but I'm a fair weather pilot. :)
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BA...this seems to be a better deal on the tanks..20lbs for $95 with valve and Noah has built his 10lb tank setup for $134 all told...

I am 99.9999% convinced I am going CO2....cuz I wheel with guys who have OBA too so I can get a shot from them if needed and/or we can grab my co2 if needed to carry down the trail.

Heck I don't have EITHER at the moment and just stick close to my wheelin buddies, heh!

http://www.nc4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?t=746
 
Cool.. thought you'd need the reserve of a tank to provide the blast & flow to seat the bead... Learn something new every day! :)
 
I want to add 2 tanks in my rear wheel wells since there's no tire there..... :)
I've got my pressure regulator set for 120 psi, so I have a quick shot at that pressure, then it falls off. My compressor runs at 70-80psi while filling a tire with the engine at idle. If I run up the rpms, it will sit there and cycle on-off-on-on-off-on-off while the tire fills. I usually just let it idle. THe only drawback to OBA vs CO2 is the CO2 is portable. and runs air tools better .....till it runs out of air. :D .

JB
 
I'm gonna jump in here and say that I like my OBA compressor than the C02...

I use my compressor for everything from airing up the tires, actuating the lockers, filling up my air mattress... and I've even seated a bead for a guy @ the top of Daniel w/ just my puny 4gal tanks...

I NEVER run out of air, and I keep a plenty long enough line to access all parts of my rig....

In a pinch it'll run my impact gun for a few minutes, and it works really well (for short periods) with my air ratchet.
 
I run my Impact, my air drill, grinder, brush, air up tires, re seat beads. OBA doesn't run as much as it does as an AC compressor so heat really isn't really a factor. My air intake is filtered, so it isn't dirty air. Biggest down fall is portability. Fact is, neither is for everyone. To each their own. And to add to all this. There are more people on the trail without either than there is with. No one will complain if they need to borrow either.
 
mbalbritton said:
I'll add one more thing that I haven't see mentioned yet as plus for CO2 and minus for OBA

The amount of under hood heat that your OBA creates!
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Heat ? It doesn't generate any heat at all. It only gets warm when your are stopped and using it for a good bit like airing up 4 tires, etc, other wise it's just sitting there doing nothing except running the fan belt around the pully.

JB
 
CO2 tank prices

mbalbritton said:
I'd like more info on the actual valve and set up they are using but I did quick search and came across this:

http://www.discountjeepparts.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/909_912/products_id/18736

not a bad price at all for Alum. tank and Valve! Anyone else know about this set up?
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This is not a good price. Do not confuse the valve with the regulator. I bought this same tank for $100 on eBay. I do not recommend the 20lbs. tank because it is too heavy to be portable and it is 8inch diameter tank harder to mount, AND likes to tip over easier than shorter 15lbs. tank.
 
CO2 tank mounts for $20

I found a fire extinguisher mount made by Kidde thats works perfect for 7inch diameter tanks (10 and 15lbs. not 20lbs.) Search for Bender Shipbuilding Repair 20# fire extinguisher/CO2 mount. Even though it is called a 20lbs mount, it handles 7inch diameter tanks only. This mount is heavy and solid construction. My CO2 system: $85 tank (eBay) + $135 adj. Off Road Air reg.(Rock Shop) + $20 Kidde tank mount (eBay) + $20 NorthernTool air fitting and hose kit. Total cost $260 vs. $300 systems that don't include mount. I prefer the regulators that are adjustable. Many of the systems at this price are the fixed pressure reg.
 
mbalbritton said:
I'll add one more thing that I haven't see mentioned yet as plus for CO2 and minus for OBA

The amount of under hood heat that your OBA creates!
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Yeah... kinda like a candle near a forest fire! Who gives a rats@$$ about the piddly heat it's making when your V8 is pushing 350*?

Scared it'll melt your plastic Jeep? :flipoff2:
 
Caver Dave said:
Yeah... kinda like a candle near a forest fire! Who gives a rats@$$ about the piddly heat it's making when your V8 is pushing 350*?

Scared it'll melt your plastic Jeep? :flipoff2:
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Maybe so..... but I'll still take as littl eheat under the hood as I can get.. so suck my ass :flipoff2:

Oh and thanks for beating me to the duct tape John :D
 
I'd rather have OBA than use my powertank. Have to get it filled, worry about it getting lifted off my jeep when I'm not around, it likes to freeze up on long usage, I've used it twice and everyone else has used it plenty. I'm not going to be that guy that says "no , you can't use it cause we're in Tellico and it's going to be a bitch to get refilled" with OBA I would care less.. On the upside my wife bought as a gift for me, so what am I gonna do... :beer:
 
As for this whole get it filled deal... You'd be amazed at how long it lasts. 20 lbs goes a loooooooooong way. as for having it stolen.... I've go a lot more money than that in my Jeep that could be stolen. The Sad truth is, If someone wants something.. they're gonna get it.

but, I say this is definitly a matter of "To each his own"
 
mbalbritton said:
As for this whole get it filled deal... You'd be amazed at how long it lasts. 20 lbs goes a loooooooooong way. as for having it stolen.... I've go a lot more money than that in my Jeep that could be stolen. The Sad truth is, If someone wants something.. they're gonna get it.

but, I say this is definitly a matter of "To each his own"
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I'd be pretty hard top steal my OBA system, versus a CO2 tank system.
OH !..... I guess that's another PLUS for OBA ...... :p

JB :)
 
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