Quality of aftermarket 4x4 parts

jeepinmatt

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Maybe my standards are too high, or maybe I'm just prone to finding crappy stuff, but it seems like about 2/3's of the stuff I buy for the jeep has to be modified in a rather involved manner for it to work.

Case 1: TJ axle bracket kit (RE I think). Nutserts were already in the front spring mount for the shock bolts, COOL! Except they put the wrong thread. There were no holes for the spring retainers. The swaybar mounts were made of pure cheese, and bent just by looking at them. The holes for the upper control arm bushings were 0.050" too small. The radiusing was for a Dana 35. Who swaps in a D35?!?!?!

Case 2: 32 spline D300 output (Teraflex). Breather was poorly located. Only 1 shim included for preload setup. Unmarked China bearing and seal at rear yoke. Loose fit on inner bearing has already caused some wear on the output shaft. Speedo drive gear is rapidly chipping away (electronic speedo, practically no load). Casting was entirely too big, 3 of the 5 bolts can only be tightened by an open-end wrench.

Case 3, the latest fiasco: Jeep 4.0 to NV4500 to D300 kit (Advance Adapters). The first problem was that this kit doesn't even exist. I talked with a "tech" at AA who told me that the kit for a CJ would work just fine. After eyeballing the parts lists, I decided there was no possible way he was right. After figuring it all out and ordering through Andy@CRS, we come to find out that the input retainer for the tranny was a "special piece" that needed some machining for an added cost ($75, and all they did was turn down the OD on the snout). I get my "complete" kit in finally (a combo of everything needed for a CJ and a TJ). Looking at all the parts, I am initially pleased, but after putting it all together in my head, I notice there are a number of things missing:
-No pressure plate (clutch disc was included)
-No throwout bearing
-No line to go with the TJ adapter fitting for the clutch
-No seal for the T-case input

Finally I get pretty much everything rounded up, and have started the rebuild/assembly process. As Im putting the bearing in the T-case input, I start to get angry at the poor engineering:
1. A double sealed bearing is not an appropriate "seal" for a t-case with a constant pool of oil behind it.
2. A bearing should not be able to be moved by hand with no pressure if installed. Clearance between the bearing and the wall allows the bearing to spin, and also doesn't not serve very well for a seal.
3. China bearings that feel rough brand new do not get better with age.
4. If I can make a recess for the seal in 10 minutes on my lathe (including setup time), so can a CNC machine.

Im really pissed about this last bit because AA has taken the cheap way out and caused what could have been a pretty good product to be an inferior piece of crap. I am going to have to make a new input retainer so that the case doesn't leak and the bearing doesn't spin. This is totally unacceptable for a $140 set that includes a piece of machined aluminum, a $10 bearing, and a $10 gasket. Here's a link for a better understanding: http://www.tellico4x4.com/product_info.php/cPath/2880_991_3313_3314/products_id/25790

Anybody else think parts tend to bring the suck sometimes?
 
There is no such thing as a bolt on aftermarket part...hence the term "aftermarket". I'm guessing you've never messed with headers for anything very much, cause they rarely ever fit right.
 
I'm know your serious about this as you spent a lot of time typing up your frustrations.. But I see nothing with anything you have listed that I have not had to deal with on almost every part and step of my build.

What your doing and building is not, nor has ever been a factory option where they had an engineer design, build, test all the components as much as possible and then pop out 50k on an assembly line.. The fact that your even able to buy the parts you've listed is a testament to the growth of our hobby.

Even with a TJ (aka bolt-on machine) your still going to have manufacturing tolerances that can stack up against you and require adjustments and/or modifications..

The part about bearings... well.... thats to be expected when you buy and shop for the lowest cost parts.. My D300 adapter (and 4:1 kit) was from JB conversions.. While i did pay a little more all the issues you've listed were very well taken care of, and all parts supplied were of good quality. (Timken/Koyo)

Brackets ? come on - get the grinder out.. I'm sure they are made to be usable on a few different axles and may require some tweaking for your axle.. .050 ? fit on a bushing. Maybe a bit much for a press fit but the stock brackets are flimsy and should take that much of a press fit to beat in there..

Seriously all these things are what a good shop addresses and takes care of as part of the normal process. A shop would have seen and overcome all the issues and be prepaired to fix/address them during a build..

Rear housing ? used alan head bolts for tighter clearance.. Id rather have some beef than bolt head clearencing..

but to agree with you it does suck... nothing is perfect in the 4x4 world... get out the grinder and hammer and make it fit.. :D
 
I'm know your serious about this as you spent a lot of time typing up your frustrations.. But I see nothing with anything you have listed that I have not had to deal with on almost every part and step of my build.

What your doing and building is not, nor has ever been a factory option where they had an engineer design, build, test all the components as much as possible and then pop out 50k on an assembly line.. The fact that your even able to buy the parts you've listed is a testament to the growth of our hobby.

Even with a TJ (aka bolt-on machine) your still going to have manufacturing tolerances that can stack up against you and require adjustments and/or modifications..

The part about bearings... well.... thats to be expected when you buy and shop for the lowest cost parts.. My D300 adapter (and 4:1 kit) was from JB conversions.. While i did pay a little more all the issues you've listed were very well taken care of, and all parts supplied were of good quality. (Timken/Koyo)

Brackets ? come on - get the grinder out.. I'm sure they are made to be usable on a few different axles and may require some tweaking for your axle.. .050 ? fit on a bushing. Maybe a bit much for a press fit but the stock brackets are flimsy and should take that much of a press fit to beat in there..

Seriously all these things are what a good shop addresses and takes care of as part of the normal process. A shop would have seen and overcome all the issues and be prepaired to fix/address them during a build..

Rear housing ? used alan head bolts for tighter clearance.. Id rather have some beef than bolt head clearencing..

but to agree with you it does suck... nothing is perfect in the 4x4 world... get out the grinder and hammer and make it fit.. :D
Most of these things are not that big of a deal, but I think the D300 Input is ridiculous. I had no idea JB Conversions offered a kit. Im going to try and return the parts I got from AA.

To me this is a perfect example of people being lazy and not doing their jobs well (as I sit at work and post on NC4x4:rolleyes:). If they had ever actually put these parts together for real, instead of just in a 3D model, they would have seen the problems and fixed them I think. Or they are just dumb.
 
i think most of us accept sub standard quality AND customer service because it's such a relatively new industry. we're just happy to have places offering us these cool parts.

i also think it's getting to the point where the days of accepting such things are over though. there has been enough growth, enough demand, enough companies, etc. that we should start expecting high quality parts and good customer service for the majority of things. newly developed parts/technology being an exception of course, there is always going to be some issues with new stuff.
 
Shall I call the Whaambulance?

Or would you simply prefer some cheese with that whine?

:flipoff2:

(But I do agree to an extent - big name companies charging a premium should have parts that fit)
 
Shall I call the Whaambulance?
Or would you simply prefer some cheese with that whine?
:flipoff2:
(But I do agree to an extent - big name companies charging a premium should have parts that fit)
Blah,blah,blah...
I believe your 3rd point really hit on what Im trying to say.
 
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