Water 4 Gas

lugnut

lugnut

Well-Known Member
Joined
Mar 23, 2005
Location
SnowCamp
I caught the end of something on chanel 8 news last night about running your car on water + baking soda to help MPG. Sounds like snake oil to me. Anybody see the whole thing? Whats the deal?
 
Don't know if it was that, but there is an HHO conversion out there. Basically thru Electrolysis It breaks apart the Two Hydrogen and one Oxygen from an H2O molecule and burn the Hydrogen. It burns in conjunction with your Gas in your internal combustion engine, and boosts you up to something like 70mpg. guy that invented it also has a torch that runs on water and cuts damn near anything.

I don't know... either it's Genius or its Snake oil.
 
Been doing some looking this morning. Looks like there are a few kits and some plans out there that sell from $49 on up. Looks like a simple enough thing to build.
 
I will let you know. I installed a system on my 2.5L YJ this weekend.
 
Kinda both. A guy at work, his son has been messing with them so we went in and bought a kit and a set of plans from him. Then built another one. I think it will take some "trial and error" with ratios and such, but the concept looks good. I started mine off at the minimum as far as mixtures go.
 
89wrangler said:
Kinda both. A guy at work, his son has been messing with them so we went in and bought a kit and a set of plans from him. Then built another one. I think it will take some "trial and error" with ratios and such, but the concept looks good. I started mine off at the minimum as far as mixtures go.
Click to expand...


is it an HHO system?
 
Yes, it is an HHO.
 
Is it as simple as it looks on the net? Just a jar with a couple vacum conections , couple wires and a wrap inside?
 
One of the guys at my office was talking about doing the HHO on his TJ w/ 4cyl. Unfortunately it sounds like he's developed a Rod knock so It might not be such a good idea for him to do right now :D

I'd be interested to hear about your findings.
 
yeah, keep us posted. this is interesting.

ive seen that water torch on tv before. But ive also seen a 3 story gorilla on tv.
 
am very disappointed with the Hydrogen Generator which was built on the show .I agree with the other comments that were made about this but do want to add my own observations. First it does not appear that the Hydrogen unit had any electrolyte in with the water which explains why there was no gas production. Other thing which was odd was the cap that was bolted on the carb with the hose from the unit. With this cap ,No Air was supplied to the engine which is needed for any fuel to run an engine. In conclusion , I know Hydrogen Generators work , but it seems this show deliberatly wanted to show that they did not work. For alot of people after watching this show and seeing the results they would not bother even trying to build one. Are you getting kickbacks from the oil company's or the tv station to make this Hydrogen injection look not viable, when in fact they are.
Click to expand...

I gotta be honest here and say I'm a freaking bonehead and none of this crap makes sense. It seems to me that this will be the next "airplane on the treadmill" discussion point of the internet. 89 if it does work would you be interested in doing a discussion video on it?
 
well the idea is great but if it sounds to good to be tru it is still stands as far as i can tell...but adding more oxygen and a combustible gas to whats already there would make since to improving performance, but not necessarily mileage
 
Subscribing to this one, my CJ needs all the help it can get in the mileage department. Will this work with FI as well, it seems like I remember it does. To the poster above me, it would increase mileage too. The volume of the cylinder wouldn't change, therefor the HHO will displace the gas, meaning better mileage.
 
well if its that simple to increase milage then using propane and nitrous injection and turning down the shot to last longer and not be a specific shot like 50hp or whatever shoudl do the same given teh time and ability to set it up this way...could this potentially be tru??? im not sure about the HHO setup but just bc ur injecting HHO are you really using less gas or is the HHO being injected along side of the air thats being drawn in thus displaying air and not gas???
 
Maybe Chris (792.5cj5) will chime in. He was just telling me about something like this the other day. Seemed like a decent idea when he explained it to me.
 
Google "smacksbooster" you should find free plans to build a HHO set up
 
Well, I will let you all know what I find out. Probably more of a gimmic, but I have sure waisted a lot more on a lot less. I can say that the system is generating gas and it is being utilized in the engine. It could be just a fluke, but it actually "seems" to be running smoother. We shall see :popcorn:
 
89wrangler said:
Well, I will let you all know what I find out. Probably more of a gimmic, but I have sure waisted a lot more on a lot less. I can say that the system is generating gas and it is being utilized in the engine. It could be just a fluke, but it actually "seems" to be running smoother. We shall see :popcorn:
Click to expand...

Keep us posted, I'll be tring it out soon too.
 
Def I heard that someone who was running pane converted to totaly hydrogen, could have been a rumor, idk.

Also heard that it is the perfect booster to run with forced induction w/o having to up you current fuel system, almost like an extra injector, which is very interesting to me since I wanna go Twin turbo's eventually on the tow rig.
 
Elliott said:
I think someone needs to brush up on the basic laws of thermodynamics. This idea is totally bogus.
Click to expand...
x2
The basic idea is that you split up water (H20) and then combine it back again. The process of combining it via combustion gives off energy, which you harness to make the car go.

Sadly, the energy used to combine the gases can't be greater than the energy it took to split up the water in the first place. In a perfect theoretical world you break even. In the real world there is wasted energy in both the splitting and the combining so you're at a loss. It's a waste of time, you can't run your car on water. Some thing in science are just understood and won't be changing, this is one of those things.

I'm more excited about pure electric cars or hybrids that only use gas when the batteries are low but are normally charged by plugging them in. When we have that, we can focus on large scale green energy sources like solar, nuclear, wind, hydroelectric, etc. (Ok, they aren't perfectly green but they are all better than coal.)
 
right....but its the type of energy you use to split the atoms. I have no idea how these set ups are working, but a am going to assume the use electricity from the battery or altenator. Neither are power sources used in propulsion of the vehicle. So...you are not creating energy or magnifying it. Your transfering it from one vehicle system to the other.
 
Back
Top