welding dillema

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4x4fever

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i need to weld a bunch of junk on my jeep which is apart right now and no way to move it. the jeep sits 175 feet away from any power outlest (120). i live in an apartment and my jeep sits outback on an old basketball court.

how am i gonna get that stuff welded up?

i own a stick welder that runs off 220 am i gonna have to sneak a breaker into the box and run a heavy gauge wire out to my jeep with a plug for my welder to get this done?
 
I used to have the same problem. I used a 10-3 "yellow jacket" brand extension cord and put my own ends on it so that it would plug into my dryer outlet.
 
voltage drop over that distance would be pretty severe -- you'd have to have a pretty heavy gauge cord, and still risk damage to your transformer

How much welding does it need? More than a bit, winch it onto a trailer...

May be worth the $ and aggravation to hire somebody to come by with a gas-powered welder. Or go to hertz equipment rental and either get a gasoline welder or a towable generator big enough to safely carry your welder.

Just some ideas to get you moving....
 
kaiser715 said:
Or go to hertz equipment rental and either get a gasoline welder or a towable generator big enough to safely carry your welder.
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What he said :huggy:
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Or, but a Ready Welder model 10000 from me. Two decent batterys, and go to it. Weld till need charging, then recharge. When you are finished, you still have a welder to take on the trail. $400 shipped to your door.
 
gogogadgetbiker said:
I used to have the same problem. I used a 10-3 "yellow jacket" brand extension cord and put my own ends on it so that it would plug into my dryer outlet.
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If you value your welder dont do this....

10 gauge isnt adequate for a welder.

You would need to read your specific data tags, if it is a 60A draw you need 6 gauge up to ~70 ft. then down to 4...

Using a 10 gauge you run the risk of
1) dirty power and voltage drop destroying your rectifier
2) Small electrical fires, which while fun really aren't worth the hassle...

Just my opinion, Im sure someone out there used a 14gauge "drop cord" and ran there welder for years while they welded in the bottom of their pool....

YMMV
 
upnover said:
Or, but a Ready Welder model 10000 from me. Two decent batterys, and go to it. Weld till need charging, then recharge. When you are finished, you still have a welder to take on the trail. $400 shipped to your door.
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400 is that all? i have alot of welding to do. i did this once before but it was with 6g wire at a distance of about 75 feet it worked well and i only had to burn about 8 rods.

drop a ready welder off to santa and tell him its for me. :beer:
 
I'll second the ready welder, great for welding where you don't have a traditional power source. And then you'd also have a spool gun powered off of your 240V stick welder if you get a garage in the future.
 
I just bought some 6-3 SOO wire (something like sun, oil, outdoors). Had a hell of a time finding it, then had to pay about $3.20 a foot. For 30 feet with Forney ends came to about $150. Not cheap at all.
 
Where did you buy all of that from? I did 40' of 8-3 stranded wire like yours with the respective 220 ends for a while back for <$70 at lowes. Hobart actually says that you *can* use up to 67ft of min 14ga...so.

If you're using a buzzbox though, that's more than twice the input amperage--migs at <20 and a 225 stick at 50A--in which case 6/3 is pretty well suited.

Agreed that the RW is a good idea, though in the two years I've had one I've never used it connected to a mig or stick welder so I can't comment there...

Or you could just tow the rig to someones shop that will help you out. :flipoff2:
 
In order to use the RW on a stick machine you would need the ADP version at least, or the 10250. These models connect to a Mig machine, or a constant voltage DC machine.

The benefit is you can weld aluminum if you run an Argon bottle. You can use flux for carbon or stainless, or you can use gases for those as well. It's pretty versatile. You can run up to a 100 ft of extension without loss of power from the power source, I imagine if you run a larger cable extension, you could go further.
 
R Q said:
I'll jump in here since it's on topic. How much is the ADP gun?
RQ
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Ready Welder II – MIG Gun Series

RWII Model 10000 $400.00 Manufacturer’s suggested retail Price - $599.00
The model 10000 is cabled best for battery operation. This model will also connect to all CV (constant voltage) and DC (direct current) output machines. This model is most frequently used by repairmen, maintenance workers, off-road enthusiasts, ranchers, boaters, agricultural industry and anyone primarily using batteries as the power source.

Model 10000ADP $450.00 Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price - $619.00
The model 10000 ADP is cabled for battery operation and with the addition of the AC to DC Power Converter the Model 10000ADP will also connect to CC (constant current) stick machines as well as CV (constant voltage) machines. This model is primarily used by the same user group as the Model 10000.

Model 10250 $475.00 Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price - $639.00
The 10250 is cabled similar to other spool guns as the primary intention is to use this model as a spool gun attachment to the welding machines which already have a built-in ground wire or clamp. The 10250 also comes with the AC to DC Power Converter for welding with CC (constant current) stick machines. The 10250 will connect to all DC output welders as well as batteries (Please note that batteries require additional cabling.). This model is primarily used by welders wanting a spool gun attachment to their engine drives, MIG machines and stick machines.

RWII Model 10000CS $535.00 Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price - $684.00
The model 10000CS is cabled best for battery operation and features a “cold switchâ€. This means when the trigger is released the gun goes cold. This model will also connect to all CV (constant voltage) and DC (direct current) output machines. This model is most frequently used by repairmen, maintenance workers, off-road enthusiasts, ranchers, boaters, agricultural industry and anyone primarily using batteries as the power source.

Model 10000ADP-CS $560.00 Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price - $705.00
The model 11000ADP-CS is cabled for battery operation and offers a “cold switch†(which means the gun is cold when the trigger is released) and with the addition of the AC to DC Power Converter the Model 10000ADP-CS will also connect to CC (constant current) stick machines as well as CV (constant voltage) machines. This model is primarily used by the same user group as the Model 10000CS.
 
braxton357 said:
Where did you buy all of that from? I did 40' of 8-3 stranded wire like yours with the respective 220 ends for a while back for <$70 at lowes. Hobart actually says that you *can* use up to 67ft of min 14ga...so.

If you're using a buzzbox though, that's more than twice the input amperage--migs at <20 and a 225 stick at 50A--in which case 6/3 is pretty well suited.

Agreed that the RW is a good idea, though in the two years I've had one I've never used it connected to a mig or stick welder so I can't comment there...

Or you could just tow the rig to someones shop that will help you out. :flipoff2:
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They dont sell true SO cable at any Lowe's store I have ever been in.
What you pay for in a SO cable is #1 flexibility, this stuff is as limp or more so than a standard extension cord (Think Playstation controller cable flexible) and #2 the insulation is oil resitant. In an industrial application this is the only type of cord to go with, in case there is gasoline, oil, or some other petro based product on the ground you dont want to worry about insulation breaking down on a cord designeed to carry 50+ Amps.
 
OK...


I'll jump on board.

Why not just leave the welder located at the house and run welding leads from the welder to the Jeep???


That would be the simplest method. If you don't have enough welding lead, 0 or 00 welding lead isn't expensive (like $.50/foot). That seems the most logical. Or, some welding shops will rent welding leads for a minimal charge...

This way you don't have to worry about the extension cord loosing power to your welder and destroying the welder and electrical system.

the amp drop is minimal and not noticeable. the larger lead, the less you'll notice it. Plus, with anything you weld on your jeep, the 220V welder will be able to easily handle it, even with the minimal amp drop.

just a thought

Rob
 
A good idea, only draw back I see is having to coil up 350' of welding leads, and where to store them.
I think the best choice is to get it mobil where you can get to it. Closer to power source, someone elses shop, or whatever you can get to work.
I had a friend that had about a 75' of leads, and it worked fine.
 
flux core. im not really a fan of it, but is it gonna be able to weld 3/8 plate to my frame? im inboarding my rear springs and thats what all the welding is gonna be for. how is this kit different from the welders run off the alternator that are stick welders?
 
The 0 or 00 welding lead comes on a nice spool, very easy to store. Don't like it in a spool, roll it up like a rope and hang it in the back of the garage...

Thats what I do with my 300' of leads and I've had zero storage issues.

Welders:
it doesn't really matter if the plate is 1" thick or 3/8" thick. Your frame is only a certain thickness/strength. The welder's capacity should (in this case) be measured as to if it will penetrate well into the base material. A welder that can weld full pen. 1" thick metal (proper bevel, of course), would be way overkill because of the base metal (frame) you are welding to will be much weaker than the weld or the plate welded to the frame.

If the welder used can sufficiently weld to your frame, then you are good, regardless of thickness of metal being attached to the frame. Your frame is the ultimate decider on strength and determining if the welder is capable. If the welder can't properly penetrate on your frame, it doesn't matter how thick of metal you weld to it, it won't be any stronger due to the lack of penetration of the weld.

The Ready Welders, from what I've seen, when used properly, should be sufficient.

If ya already got a stick welder, I'd go with buying the welding leads. Storage usually isn't a problem. If it is, there are plenty of people that will buy them, especially if they are new and not damaged.


Rob
 
so a $400 ready welder or $200 worth of cable leads and an 15ft extension cord to get the welder outside. the neighbors will love me. only place i have to store stuff is outside in the weather.
 
Spooling it is a great idea. But I think his biggest problem is no garage, and he lives in an apartment. Come to think of it, one of those garden hose reels would work. I wish my extension was flexible enough to do that. It's not fine strand and is like a python to handle.
 
I work at Hertz Equipment Rental and we can rent you a welder for a fair price that will more than do the job.

we can also rent you welding cable if so desired. give us a call.

I'm in Clayton but any Hertz can take care of you. I'll pm our number.
 
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