What do you think?

[southern4x4]

I posted this on another board I am on but know this gets more traffic and wanted to see what the stances would be from a larger audience.

Burton, the largest snowboard company in the world, is sponsoring a contest called Sabotage Stupidity. The basic concept is that there are still 4 resorts left in the US that do not allow snowboarders for various reasons. I understand that the contest is mostly a for of marketing and pushes the "rebellious attitude of snowboarding" to entice sales increases. As a snowboarder, and one who doesn't follow the ridiculous skier vs snowboarder war, think that it is a good idea to try and get these resorts to open their doors to those of us who choose to be strapped to one plank instead of two. I do not think that this is the BEST way to go about it but still like the idea. I have been reading a lot about it on different forums, etc. and unfortunately it typically reverts into a word fight between bi-poles and boarders. I have also seen a lot of things thrown out about legality of the contest and its move towards inciting breaking of policy/rule/law. I am just looking for everyone else's opinion and if anyone knows of the true legal implication of Burton's act to host the contest and the legal implications to a participant.

The contest site is: http://www.burton.com/poachers/

A quick google search of the name of the contest, Sabotage Stupidity, will return plenty of blog reads and forum discussions for you to view other's opinions. Let me know what you think. I fully expect comments like "This is gay" "Skiers are ignorant" "Snowboarders are worthless hippies" and the like but I am hoping to get a more honest opinion of the contest as a whole and the legal side.

 

[mbalbritton]

snowboarders irritate me for one sole reason (leaving aside the attitudes issues ) when you turn you gouge the snow. then I come behind you and catch an edge in that crevasse and screw me all up. I've been skiing for 20+ years and feel comfy skiing just about any slope out there so don't tell me to learn how to ski

 

[Budd]

Learn how to ski!

We deal with those stupid mogles you guys make.

 

[slravene]

Learn how to ski!
We carve out and snow plow over those stupid mogles you guys make because we cant ride through them like you are supposed to.

Edited for troof.


I do both skiing and snowboarding so what do i care?

 

[uncc civilengineer]

Another vote for snowboarders irritating me...

To be perfectly honest from what I've seen you have very few snowboarders who are actually "good" at it... most of the time what I see is kids trying to look cool sliding heel side down the mountain plowing up snow.. OR sitting around in places they shouldnt be...

Now if you're a good snowboarder I have no problem riding w/ you at all.. but if you suck... please just sit around in the park and dont screw up the snow...

As for riding the last 4 resorts that do not allow snowboarders... I know that Taos in NM doesnt allow them but not sure who else... I think it's awesome and plan to get out to Taos in January hopefully.

As for the legal side... I think as soon as the (4) remaining resorts hear about this the penalties will get a lot stiffer... probably press trespassing charges or something along those lines...

Man I'm ready to ski...

ALSO: as for the last 4 resorts allowing snowboarding... I think it'll never happen... obviously they're making plenty of money w/ just skiers...

 

[GSW]

Haven't ridden in a long time but I always snowboarded, never tried skiing. But I can understand the problems skiers have with boarders. Especially those that camp out in bad spots and crab walk across the slope.

That being said, I do think this is a silly marketing ploy to try to bring some edginess, shock value and punk appeal back to snowboarding. It sounds transparent, at least to me. The fact is, snowboarding, like skateboarding, is as mainstream as mainstream can get. It has been for several years now. This is just a feeble attempt to placate the diehards and lure in some new blood (tranlsation: $$$) to a sport that had its origins in rebellion, but has long since lost that edge.

 

[uncc civilengineer]

Haven't ridden in a long time but I always snowboarded, never tried skiing. But I can understand the problems skiers have with boarders. Especially those that camp out in bad spots and crab walk across the slope.
That being said, I do think this is a silly marketing ploy to try to bring some edginess, shock value and punk appeal back to snowboarding. It sounds transparent, at least to me. The fact is, snowboarding, like skateboarding, is as mainstream as mainstream can get. It has been for several years now. This is just a feeble attempt to placate the diehards and lure in some new blood (tranlsation: $$$) to a sport that had its origins in rebellion, but has long since lost that edge.

I dont think it could be said any better.. my as well close this thread now..

 

[southern4x4]

I dont think it could be said any better.. my as well close this thread now..

what is with nc4x4 and closing threads. d@mn.

As for snowboarders making gouges, when a skier is getting on their edges enough through a turn do they not also cut fine lines into the snow? I haven't skied in something like 8 years so I never got good enough to really ski well. I could make it from top to bottom with no problem but it wasn't quick or in good form. Unfortunately, like 4 wheeling, there are a pretty decent number of people who act stupid and don't know what they are doing and give the sport a bad name. I don't see how this is any cause for skiers to create this "holier that thou" attitude. There are just as many chitty skiers on the slopes who stop in blind spots, just over crests, etc and cut you off because they can't look anywhere other that 3 feet in front of them. I have had it happen to me and seen it happen.

 

[Reid]

not very fond of boarding. i'm not very fond of anything that encourages today's youth to be the way they are.

 

[southern4x4]

I don't think snowboarding is the cause, or even a significant portion of the reason behind today's youth.

 

[uncc civilengineer]

a horrible (or beginner) skier snow plowing still doesnt even compare to a snowboarder sliding heel side down a steep slope...

As for skiiers stoping in the way... yep.. it's a problem too.. The difference w/ skiiers stopping is that they can stand up.. snow boarders typically sit down...

 

[southern4x4]

I am not going to turn this into a snowboarder vs skier thread.

Back to the legal side. No lawyers on here or anyone with a legal background?

 

[Ron]

Jeeps on tha slopes FTW

 

[xjsaretheway]

I don't see the the big deal btw ski and board. I ski, and love it, but my best friend and brother board, and we always have a great time together. The only annoying part is dealing with the lift and putting up with all of them sitting down to strap in, that gets annoying.
But as for those last 4 resorts, i'm all for them being opened up to boards, because with boards come terrain parks and that's always more fun than moguls...imo

 

[uncc civilengineer]

I don't see the the big deal btw ski and board. I ski, and love it, but my best friend and brother board, and we always have a great time together. The only annoying part is dealing with the lift and putting up with all of them sitting down to strap in, that gets annoying.
But as for those last 4 resorts, i'm all for them being opened up to boards, because with boards come terrain parks and that's always more fun than moguls...imo

Ok the 4 resorts are...

Alta (Utah) - no park

Deer Valley (Utah) - no park

Taos (NM) - terrain park

Mad River Glen (Vermont) - no park

I see no reason why Jake Burton feels obligated to try to get people to break the rules and snowboard at these 4 resorts... there are probably something like 1000 + resorts in North America alone... But then again... snowboarding is still anti mainstream and all w/ Burton's net worth estimated around 4.5Billion

It would be interesting if one of these resorts files suit against him for something... but I doubt they'll waste their time...

 

[metz2501]

I don't see the the big deal btw ski and board. I ski, and love it, but my best friend and brother board, and we always have a great time together. The only annoying part is dealing with the lift and putting up with all of them sitting down to strap in, that gets annoying.
But as for those last 4 resorts, i'm all for them being opened up to boards, because with boards come terrain parks and that's always more fun than moguls...imo

whenever i go and stay at a place for longer than a day or two i rent the bigfoot skis... those things are stupidly fun

 

[UNCC-CRAWLER]

snowboarders irritate me for one sole reason (leaving aside the attitudes issues ) when you turn you gouge the snow. then I come behind you and catch an edge in that crevasse and screw me all up. I've been skiing for 20+ years and feel comfy skiing just about any slope out there so don't tell me to learn how to ski

Learn to ski....been sking for 8 years now with boarders, all over the place never had a problem with that

Another vote for snowboarders irritating me...
To be perfectly honest from what I've seen you have very few snowboarders who are actually "good" at it... most of the time what I see is kids trying to look cool sliding heel side down the mountain plowing up snow.. OR sitting around in places they shouldnt be...

Only people in the east pull that Chit

southern4x4 screw the illegal stuff the worst you will get is trespassing. and maybe not even that if you buy a lift ticket.... not trespassing just breaking the rules

 

[BIGWOODY]

get your slow ass snowboard out of my way.... I ski out west just about every year and they pull that crap out there too.

 

[southern4x4]

get your slow ass snowboard out of my way.... I ski out west just about every year and they pull that crap out there too.

I ride out west almost every year for the past 5 years and I assure you that I can keep up with you on almost any terrain (not flats).

I am not looking to start a pissing match, was just curious of everyone's opinion on the subject though I have formed my own and a bit curious of the legal results since I am graduating college in the next few days and have some free time ahead of me. Heading up that way to visit my mom and snowboard a bit sounds good to me.

 

[uncc civilengineer]

I ride out west almost every year for the past 5 years and I assure you that I can keep up with you on almost any terrain (not flats).
I am not looking to start a pissing match, was just curious of everyone's opinion on the subject though I have formed my own and a bit curious of the legal results since I am graduating college in the next few days and have some free time ahead of me. Heading up that way to visit my mom and snowboard a bit sounds good to me.

Try it at one of the 4 resorts and tell us how it goes...

 

[rockcity]

people will board at these resorts regardless of the rules. Burton just wants the tapes of the people that are doing it. I have skied at Alta and Deer Valley as well as many other places that allow boards, no difference to me.

I normally stay in the double blacks or in the trees and rocks, so I typically don't have the major issues others seemt to have (ruining slopes, hangin out on the side of the trail or right at the chair lift, etc).

My father has issues with boarders because he feels that they tend to get in the way, especially inexperienced boarders who try to go to the top of the mountain. I just stay away from the blues and greens and all the issues people speak of are practically eliminated...

back on topic, I don't tink Burton would be at any fault, and I'm sure he's consulted his legal department about this. As for the poachers, even with a lift ticket, you are trespassing if you are boarding. Knowing it is not allowed, it is willful trespass, which IIRC is 3rd degree trespass, which is a midemeanor. Jail time is possible, but unlikely unless they are repeated offenders or if the resorts get a large number of Poachers...

 

[Reid]

WAIT A FU(K1N6 MINUTE

What youre telling me, is there is a contest to trespass and break rules, sponsered by a large corperation.

Let me change a few names and places for ya.


"Skyjacker is sponsering a contest called retarded rednecks. They are offering $5000 dollars for anyone riding off the designated trail system in tellico or any powerline section in the country, any sand dune preservation or the horse paths at uwharrie."


ya know, i read what you posted, but until i googled the actual contest it didnt hit me what you were getting at.

You were a little deceptive with the details. The contest wants you to push the limits of the law to try to expand the "riding areas" for boardders. Try that at tellico and see what happens! If you had suggested this type of activity in this community you would have ingnited a huge flame war.

This will do nothing but advance the bad name of boarders and increase the resorts resistance to allow them.

Please dont try to do the fourwheeling community any favors if this is the type of tactics you support.

 

[UNCC-CRAWLER]

WAIT A FU(K1N6 MINUTE
What youre telling me, is there is a contest to trespass and break rules, sponsered by a large corperation.
Let me change a few names and places for ya.
"Skyjacker is sponsering a contest called retarded rednecks. They are offering $5000 dollars for anyone riding off the designated trail system in tellico or any powerline section in the country, any sand dune preservation or the horse paths at uwharrie."
ya know, i read what you posted, but until i googled the actual contest it didnt hit me what you were getting at.
You were a little deceptive with the details. The contest wants you to push the limits of the law to try to expand the "riding areas" for boardders. Try that at tellico and see what happens! If you had suggested this type of activity in this community you would have ingnited a huge flame war.
This will do nothing but advance the bad name of boarders and increase the resorts resistance to allow them.
Please dont try to do the fourwheeling community any favors if this is the type of tactics you support.

Wow you are way wrong

we will not be trespassing by any means if we buy lift tickets(which would be the smart thing to do) just breaking the rules, which I am pretty sure would not hold up in court or they will even take you to court. what are they going to tell the judge "they give us 60 dollars (or however much it will cost for a lift ticket) and then broke the rules" they wouldn't waste their time.

The skyjacker contest would be more like take one of thoes rhino things up the hardest line at tellico or ride a dog down the horse trails

The contest doesn't want to break the law (and going off the trail while wheeling would be trespassing and breaking the law), just the rules of the mountain

after watching the video I agree with burton they are breaking the bill of rights: discrimination. It would be like a trail that is open to the public and only allows jeeps or toyotas or just one type of truck

Ok here a page right out of American history: What if African Amercans never walk into White only restaurants do you think they would have change if the African Amercans just stood out side and walked around with signs?????? ( this a little extreme but the same point )

POWER TO THE POACHERS

 

[southern4x4]

WAIT A FU(K1N6 MINUTE
What youre telling me, is there is a contest to trespass and break rules, sponsered by a large corperation.
Let me change a few names and places for ya.
"Skyjacker is sponsering a contest called retarded rednecks. They are offering $5000 dollars for anyone riding off the designated trail system in tellico or any powerline section in the country, any sand dune preservation or the horse paths at uwharrie."
ya know, i read what you posted, but until i googled the actual contest it didnt hit me what you were getting at.
You were a little deceptive with the details. The contest wants you to push the limits of the law to try to expand the "riding areas" for boardders. Try that at tellico and see what happens! If you had suggested this type of activity in this community you would have ingnited a huge flame war.
This will do nothing but advance the bad name of boarders and increase the resorts resistance to allow them.
Please dont try to do the fourwheeling community any favors if this is the type of tactics you support.

You have it all wrong. Riding in bounds on a slope that is made for riding is not the same as wheeling out of bounds. Might want to read everything on their site first.

As for the consequences, I see them banning whoever it is from the resort for life but that is about it. If the poacher were to buy a lift ticket then I don't see how it is classified as trespassing. Riding a snowboard there would be like skiing recklessly or something of that nature. Would get your lift ticket removed and as I said early, banned.

 

[Reid]

You even call yourselves poachers insinuating you are stealing something.

You will be tresspassing. The resorts have given specific permission to be on their property. By buying a lifticket you are given permission to on their property as long as you follow thier rules, once a rule is broken you are in violation of that understood contract. At the point in which you breech the understood contract and break a rule of the resort you become a tresspasser, an unwanted persons upon private property.

What you are proposing is in no way a kin to the civil rights movement. it is not a violation of your constitutional rights.

The constitution was set up to restrict the gov'ts ability to descriminate, not a privately owned company. And what you are talking about does not relate to race, religion, physical capabilites, or political affiliation.

its actually exactly like the owners of avalance ranch saying you cant run boggers on their trails anymore. How would that violate a constitutional right? How is that descrimination.

Look, follow the rules, why do boarders have to be such a parasite? Stop being so selfish. arent there thousands of places to go? do you really need the 4 slopes?