Winch Bumper Fabrication/Sliders

LandoAWD

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Guys, I know some of you are blessed with the gift of welding so I figured I'd ask here. I have been looking for something to replace the utterly useless front (hell, rear could work as well I suppose) bullbar/bumper combo on my yuppiemobile 95 Range Rover. I can't find anything mass-marketed, so I was wondering what a fab/weld/mount job would run me, and if any of you would consider doing something like this.

My wife is not a big fan of a front bumper replacement (don't tell her I don't actually care what she thinks about MY truck), so a simple rear bumper could work as well.

Basically, can you do it...how much... :smokin:
 
There ya go.. we certainly couldn't touch it for that.
 
ridefast said:
materials+$100
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Let's see,
Design.............3 hours
Cutting.............3 hours
Welding............2 hours
Weld cleanup....1 hour
Painting............3 hours

total.................12 hours

$100 divided by 12 hours... :eek:

Do you clean houses too? How about windows?
 
lomodyj said:
Let's see,
Design.............3 hours
Cutting.............3 hours
Welding............2 hours
Weld cleanup....1 hour
Painting............3 hours

total.................12 hours

$100 divided by 12 hours... :eek:

Do you clean houses too? How about windows?
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It takes you 3 hours to paint a bumper? 3 hours to design it and 3 more to cut it out?
I have about 10 hours in mine, but it is more than just a bumper, it is a work of art. :flipoff2:
 
uglyjeepoffroad said:
It takes you 3 hours to paint a bumper? 3 hours to design it and 3 more to cut it out?
I have about 10 hours in mine, but it is more than just a bumper, it is a work of art. :flipoff2:
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You can still come and clean my windows for $10.00 an hour :flipoff2:

Your bumper is also about 12 inches long...I probably took you 3 hours to get the sticker on there...and it's not even on straight...

To put 3 coats of primer and 3 coats of paint on...yup that's about 3 hours...you gotta take beer breaks you know...painting is hard work.
3 hours to design...Remember, he is starting from scratch...on one of them fancy eurothings.
3 hours to cut it...see painting... :smokin:

oh yea...you got no room to jump on anyone about working on a rig...ain't you the one that pulled the coolest Jeep grill EVER off yours and uglyfied it...oh, yea...it does say UglyJeepOffRoad...we'll see. Ugly it is...off road...3 weeks...then we will know. :D
 
Unless you do this kind of fabrication day in and day out, it's gonna take the better part of a weekend to build one RIGHT.
 
I would not turn on my welder for $100 on a project yet do the tear down of the old bumper and install a new on after you make it. Yes you would need to take the time like Rich has said and then some.
One-off work takes some time and you would want it to last not pull off the first time you pull cable. Also remember most of the time you need to get steel in 20 ft sticks and 4x8' sheets. How would you set a price if you only need 5 ft of the 20 ft you picked up for the job? Keep it and charge him or give him all the scrap that he may not want.
Rich, maybe you could help me out on what you do but most of the time I just stock some steel and use it and get new when I need it, but just charge the person for the steel I use on the project with a little mark up and labor.
The labor or mark up needs to pay for Gas, Rods, Wire, power and a lot of other supplies and a shop if you have one. I will not talk about paint because of the EPA stuff you will need to have to do it.
That is why fab work goes for $30 to $500 per hour. It depends on what you work on. Yes $500 per hr is what I know was charged for fab and one off work that went over seas for testing. Some times $500 is cheep also.


Jon
 
MR. GADGET said:
Rich, maybe you could help me out on what you do but most of the time I just stock some steel and use it and get new when I need it, but just charge the person for the steel I use on the project with a little mark up and labor.
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Pretty much.. we keep track of what we paid for what materials... 5-10% markup covers transportation back to the shop, and cutting, unusable scrap, etc... When we run low, we re-order.

I have never seen anything ridefast has fabricated, so I won't even think to pass judgement. if he's doing it just to learn, that's cool, as long as both parties have an unerstanding as to what the finished product will look like. If not, I'll hire him, we could use the cheap labor! :D

Sometimes a seeingly minor change to a design can add a lot of time to a build. Things I know exactly how long they'll take, we can give a good estimate. For one off projects, we charge $40/hr + materials.

A few things I thought about when he posted his request -
I've never touched a Rover, so I don't know how the factory bumper attaches, or in how many points.
I don't know what the end of the frame looks like - will it be easy to make it removable?
What does the owner have in mind... something like an ARB bumper, where it's plated, and more factory looking, or more along the lines of a tube bumper, where you can see what's behind the tubes? The ARB style bumpers take much longer to make...

Nice looking front bumpers aren't cheap, especially something strong enough to winch to for 10 years+. There's a reason ARB charges so much.
 
I'm working on a winch bumper for my Early Bronco. I have several hours of drawing and mock up in designing it. Then cutting and fitting all the pieces to fit the way I wanted was another couple of hours. I seem to get the majority of the work done on the weekends. And I still have another good weekend of finish welding, adding shackle D-rings, and may be a pair of lights. Things just seem to go better when I don't rush and take my time. As for builing another just like mine, I don't think I'd build it for just $100 labor.
 

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I built my own bumpers and even if I had a plasma and a mig to make another set for someone the price of labor would still be well over a 100 bucks.
 
We have done quite a bit of stuff for some rover guys around here. If you are still looking let me know and we will be happy to help you out. However, I will throw in my $0.02 that everyone(baring the buddy $100 dealio) that posted has realistic pricing for what it might cost. I have built bumpers for close friends for that price, but it does not even start to cover my expenses in building something custom.

I know ridefast and I am pretty sure he is a novice looking for experience, this will be a good lesson learned if he decides to do it for $100cause he is getting absolutely screwed unless it turns out to be a piece of junk, worth what was paid.....then the owner will not be happy. Maybe it is worth it to him to get some experience......but is the owner willing to take the risk?

If you want a good quality product go to someone who has the know how to do it, whether it be the backyard guy with a good head on his shoulders, the part-time shop, or the full time guys.....just get it done by someone who knows what they are doing...

My $0.02
Andy
 
zubz said:
We have done quite a bit of stuff for some rover guys around here. If you are still looking let me know and we will be happy to help you out. However, I will throw in my $0.02 that everyone(baring the buddy $100 dealio) that posted has realistic pricing for what it might cost. I have built bumpers for close friends for that price, but it does not even start to cover my expenses in building something custom.

I know ridefast and I am pretty sure he is a novice looking for experience, this will be a good lesson learned if he decides to do it for $100cause he is getting absolutely screwed unless it turns out to be a piece of junk, worth what was paid.....then the owner will not be happy. Maybe it is worth it to him to get some experience......but is the owner willing to take the risk?

If you want a good quality product go to someone who has the know how to do it, whether it be the backyard guy with a good head on his shoulders, the part-time shop, or the full time guys.....just get it done by someone who knows what they are doing...

My $0.02
Andy
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I think my main goal is to simply have a recovery method. The last thing I want is to get stuck somewhere in this nearly 5000lb beast and have no "out" for myself.

Do you guys have a P38 Rangie anywhere around where you could look into something as basic as just a winch mount?
 
LandoAWD said:
I think my main goal is to simply have a recovery method. The last thing I want is to get stuck somewhere in this nearly 5000lb beast and have no "out" for myself.

Do you guys have a P38 Rangie anywhere around where you could look into something as basic as just a winch mount?
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Not too many wheeling ranges around here. Typically is is defender stuff we have done. Let me know if we can help you out. If you can make the trip down, I will be happy to take care of it.

Andy
 
michael at rockdust fabrication, www.rockdustfab.com has done my sliders and rear bumper. the sliders are awesome and the rear bumper is beefy as hell he does great work, he is here in winston/kernersville area, he is tacoma747 on here hit him up Im sure he can work something out with you. Ill post pics of my new rear bumper soon
 
Speaking of sliders... how much would a good pair go for, that would fit on my '90 Jimmy and extend far enough from the frame to double as step rails? Maybe 6 inches past the edge of the doors?
 
Thanks for the plug Jimmy, but I don't have time right now to be doing something as complicated as a plate bumper for a Rover. Maybe in a month or so, but I would definetly have to look at it before I would even say I could do it or not. Plus, chapel hill is a long way from Winston :)
 
Trebissky said:
Speaking of sliders... how much would a good pair go for, that would fit on my '90 Jimmy and extend far enough from the frame to double as step rails? Maybe 6 inches past the edge of the doors?
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Bump... I really would like a quote or estimate, I can give measurements if needed.
 
Reply to PM's: I don't need anything fancy, as long as it's sturdy. Some pics of ideas I like, from you guys' sites...

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Of the three I like that last one because the thing has a wider flat surface. But it could be something as simple as the first one.

You can see how much room I have in this one:

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