wind blown tj??? " death sway"

ABES-XJ

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ok i got a 97 wrangler when me and a buddy traded. when i got it the jeep drove like crap. i knew the control arm bushings were bad. so i have changed the bushings in all control arms, changed the pitman arm ball joint, the bushings in my track bar, had it alined, had it checked by me and a pro. EVERYTHING is tight. here is the problem. when i am driving down the road any where from 30 to 70 mph it feels like the wind is blowing my jeep side to side. just yellow line to white line. its not a wobble more like a sway. feels just like the wind is blowin me around. ha and its not the wind. so can someone help me out? i cant think of any thing else beside the springs are to soft but i really dont think thats what is wrong? SOMEONE HELP ME!!!!! thanks in advance
 
ok i got a 97 wrangler when me and a buddy traded. when i got it the jeep drove like crap. i knew the control arm bushings were bad. so i have changed the bushings in all control arms, changed the pitman arm ball joint, the bushings in my track bar, had it alined, had it checked by me and a pro. EVERYTHING is tight. here is the problem. when i am driving down the road any where from 30 to 70 mph it feels like the wind is blowing my jeep side to side. just yellow line to white line. its not a wobble more like a sway. feels just like the wind is blowin me around. ha and its not the wind. so can someone help me out? i cant think of any thing else beside the springs are to soft but i really dont think thats what is wrong? SOMEONE HELP ME!!!!! thanks in advance


Sways disco'd or not? Sure its not DS vibe? Sure that all your link brackets are tight on the frame side (steering box too)? Is the steering linkage good? Control arms proper length to ride height, tires are balanced, pressure good, etc?

Just thinking of simple stuff, good luck. What kind of lift is on it?
 
Check ball joints for wear and/or overtightness. If they have either problem the vehicle will feel like it wonders. What about wheel bearings (or unit bearings depending on your axles).
 
what kind of tires you running? I have been told by couple people my BFG A/T's will wander all over the road, and thats normal for that tire.
Body lift? When I had a 2in body lift it felt like i was swaying all over
 
steering box mounts and frame in that area
steering box itself

and finally this may sound like a dumb question....this isnt your first jeep right? (I think I remember a CJ somewhere in here you had maybe?) Jeeps as a whole "wander" a bit do to their short wheelbase
 
another vote for steering box, also how are the tires? Width? wheel width?
all of that can have adverse driving characteristics.
Also as said, Jeeps are NOT aerodynamic, flat sides and the least amount of wind will move them.
 
I'm running... 3.5 sus lift
1 in body lift
33 in BFG MT's


Like said, it may be normal. If it's windy out (let's say 15 mph winds or better) it rocks quite a bit. Sometimes you have to work the steering wheel to keep it straight. This occurs at slower speeds (35 mph) if the wind is strong .

I drove to Wilmington with the Hard Top and Steel doors installed (even more wind resistance). Combine that with a very windy day while riding @ 65-85 mph..... I had my hands full. Sometimes the wind felt like it grabbed the Jeep and moved it 3 feet.

After a suspension change (lift, tires, etc) the vehicle usually doesn't drive that great (compared to stock configuration). It's just the way it is.
 
Is the vehice stock or lifted. Sounds like a mild bump steer if it is lifted.
 
it is 4 inch lift with 33 12.50 procomp muds. all control arms and track bars are tight. the pitman arm is tight too. and it is not the wind blowin me around. i will be drivin down the road and all of a sudden it falls in love with the white line and goes after it. or the yellow line. i dont really know how to check the stearing box. when i turn the wheel it is tight if thats what your meaning. o and i have never had a cj. ive had two tjs and two xjs and they all drove great for jeeps.
 
ok...Mike B. have you driven this Jeep?
 
Does it have a drop pitman arm?
 
Have you had the alignment checked?

Are your arms adjustable? 4" lift + non adjustable control arms may throw off the caster.

Also grab a friend and a tape measure and do a parking lot alignment to check the toe in.

Fred
 
That's what I was thinking, check the caster. Also, have them set the toe in higher than your typical car. around .125 and see if it works any better.
 
i just payed 50 bucks last friday to have it alined. ppl say there pretty good at alinments. and yes i have a drop pitman arm. he told me my cater and all that was good.
 
ok...Mike B. have you driven this Jeep?
Not yet, But I know the Jeep

That's what I was thinking, check the caster. Also, have them set the toe in higher than your typical car. around .125 and see if it works any better.

Caster could help the cause, Not sure how much with the wandering.

i just payed 50 bucks last friday to have it alined. ppl say there pretty good at alinments. and yes i have a drop pitman arm. he told me my cater and all that was good.

Mine has a tenancy to do this, I do all my own alignments due to my setup, Not sure a shop would have a clue how to work on it. But mine does it because I am not running enough tow in I need to set it to about 1/4 inch. Just don't drive it on the road enough to remind me to change it.

Someone said bump steer, I would say this is what you having. When the suspension moves up and down, the steering follows if the swing of the track bar is not equal to the swing of the drag link it will force the jeep to drift left or right depending on which way its moving. So any change in the road could cause it. It has stock steering and a stock track bar right? He replaced some of the steering but not the way its set up.

Maybe this will help

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Notice the very narrow range that the two arcs are parallel with each other. This is the only point where the drag link and the trac-bar are the same length resulting in limited to no bump steer. The further the suspension cycles on the vertical the greater the bump steer due to the differences in the arcs

awww.quadratec.com_Assets_Knowledgebase_Image_bumpsteer2.jpg


With the drag link and trac-bar being nearly parallel the arcs of movement have a broader range of continuity and thus a greater range of movement with no or limited bump steer. The drawing does show them nearly horizontal which rarely happens on vehicles but for example purposes it is the best way to represent the set-up.


Lifted Jeeps

awww.quadratec.com_Assets_Knowledgebase_Image_bumpsteer3.jpg


The drawing to the above illustrates a trac-bar and drag link set-up on a lifted vehicle. Notice the very uneven angles between the two creating severe bump steer.

awww.quadratec.com_Assets_Knowledgebase_Image_bumpsteer4.jpg


The drawing to the above illustrates the same set-up but with a trac-bar relocation bracket and a dropped Pitman arm. The two bars are now closer to being parallel than they were before.


And when the suspension moves its going to move the steering, The track bar is fixed and the drag link is hooked to the steering wheel which has give in it. Hope it makes sense.
 
ok when i get a chance i will go out and check it. but i have a drop arm and an adjustable trac bar. say they are not at the same angle what do i need to do to fix the angles so they are the same?
 
my xj does the same thing. it only started after i installed a 2" bb. im pretty sure mine is caused by not having enough toe in. i did my own alignment under the car port in a hurry so i know its not perfect. i kept planned on fixing it but now ive just got used to it and dont really care, it gives me something to do on long drives by myself. :lol:
 
well me and mike talked it over and decided to change the caster. so i added about 1/2 inch to my lower control arm length. i think it drives better. i only got to drive it about 2 miles after i put them back on. i know sometimes when i work on something i tend to think it drives better, i guess its in my head sometimes. but i guess we will see tomorrow when i do a lil more drivin.
 
well me and mike talked it over and decided to change the caster. so i added about 1/2 inch to my lower control arm length. i think it drives better. i only got to drive it about 2 miles after i put them back on. i know sometimes when i work on something i tend to think it drives better, i guess its in my head sometimes. but i guess we will see tomorrow when i do a lil more drivin.

Hopefully this helps, I am sure it won't hurt, TJs are picky any little thing can upset them some times
 
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