When engineering goes bad...

Ron

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Never underestimate the stupidity of smart people in large groups.

Imagine this scenario..

Problem: We at ACME motor company have documented a high number of people complaining about condensation dripping down when their car A/C is running. This has caused our ACME dealers XYZ hours and $ABC dollars in diagnostic time to evaluate and determine there was no issue. We should investigate a solution.

Proposal #1: Well condensation production is a normal outcome of any air conditioning event and is a normal and expected condition. Perhaps we need to educate some consumers who have never been exposed to AC before. I guess we can stick a sticker across the AC controls on all new cars and educate our consumers. Lets ask marketing and communications to develop the sticker and run it past branding and then we will present our resolution. Problem solved. Let's go have a beer.

Proposal #2: Obviously Engineer #1 is lazy and doesn't like design. We have the simplest solution right at our fingertips. Everyone knows the solution to condensation is rapid evaporation. What causes evaporation? Heat1 Luckily we have a fantastic source of heat right at our disposal. Let's instead re-design the in cabin A/C components and change where we discharge the condensation. If we use a horizontally elongated discharge plenum instead of a simple drain hose we can mist the condensate over an extended surface area. If we then direct this mist of condensation across the top of the automatic transmission housing and the catalytic converter the condensate will evaporate from the heat, thereby never hitting the ground and thus never puddling up for folks to complain. <nods all around the table>
But wait. This discharge orifice may unintendedly allow exhaust fumes into the cabin. Lets design an air check system where air will only flow one direction and has nice check valve in place. Since the A/C should only operate when the engine is running and we have these previously mentioned heat sources lets add a thermostatically controlled electronically actuated gate system to open and close the condensate discharge orifice that we have now located in an inaccessible location above the automatic transmission housing.

BRILLIANT Old Chap. Beers on me.


So guess what happens in the real world. Drive down the road rocking the A/C get home, shut off the truck. Valve closes. Water is trapped. Trapped water in a warm climate produces?...You guesses it, mold and mildew. Now the drain tube is clogged with a bacterial bloom growth and need to be flushed. Oops the tech used too much compressed air and ruptured the drain tube. So now the transmission ahs to be removed to replace a fawking rubber hose.

:flipoff: ACME Motors Engineering
 
:lol:
My favorite thing about working around engineers is making them look like idiots. On top of that, I never tell or show them the solution that would actually work in the real world. They already know everything and won't learn shit from me. 9 out of 10 I can't stand.
 
I guess I should clarify this isnt a dreamed up hypothetical but a real life existing solution...
 
But they got fired.








And then hired back.




Weren't those union workers and not engineers?
you don't think the engineers are unionized too?
 
everything new is over engineered......no new ideas under the sun. So lets completely over think, over build and widget up everything but the damn round thingys contacting the tires... Oh damn. They shoved fucking sensors in them damn things too.
 
everything new is over engineered......no new ideas under the sun. So lets completely over think, over build and widget up everything but the damn round thingys contacting the tires... Oh damn. They shoved fucking sensors in them damn things too.

People are stupid and can't handle the most basic parts of car maintenance, that's why we have TPMS. Here's a sensor to tell you you're being unsafe, because you're too apathetic to check your tire pressure until it gets critically low and puts you in potential danger. And fuel economy, for the same reason.
 
Now Im torn though.
Do I just sell the bastid, I mean it has 48,000 miles.
Ive been offered by a private party $1,500 more than I paid for it new.

And do I really want a new vehicle that has had the transmission pulled to change a condensate drain line and valve...
 
Go ahead & bring out the Hydrogen engine, then they can plumb the condensation, back into the fuel tank. Free fuel, + Extra mileage!
But you can bet them shittzy Environmentalist, would find Something to Sue about!


PS: don't Steal my idea! I used to have a 100mpg carburetor too. Some Fricker Stole it. :fuck-you:
 
Now Im torn though.
Do I just sell the bastid, I mean it has 48,000 miles.
Ive been offered by a private party $1,500 more than I paid for it new.

And do I really want a new vehicle that has had the transmission pulled to change a condensate drain line and valve...
I wanted a New push button Park thingy, but for 2016, they went back to the Old Fashioned Cable shifter.
 
People are stupid and can't handle the most basic parts of car maintenance, that's why we have TPMS. Here's a sensor to tell you you're being unsafe, because you're too apathetic to check your tire pressure until it gets critically low and puts you in potential danger. And fuel economy, for the same reason.
I know, but engineering isn't going to fix stupid...hell, I think if promotes it. I personally prefer a hell of alot less stupid people and over engineering. Less of each might slowly correct the trend, naturally.:rolleyes:
 
People are stupid and can't handle the most basic parts of car maintenance, that's why we have TPMS. Here's a sensor to tell you you're being unsafe, because you're too apathetic to check your tire pressure until it gets critically low and puts you in potential danger. And fuel economy, for the same reason.
And meanwhile, I have not yet met a single person who actually really likes TPMS.
I hate those fucking things.
"OMG, the tire pressure changed just a little bit" - b/c it's colder today than yesterday. No shit, really?
 
I know, but engineering isn't going to fix stupid...hell, I think if promotes it. I personally prefer a hell of alot less stupid people and over engineering. Less of each might slowly correct the trend, naturally.:rolleyes:

I totally agree. But it's far too much to ask for people's behavior to change. So you're stuck working within the confines of stupid people. I knew we were all doomed when the only things mentioned in a radio commercial (Civic maybe?) were BlueTooth and Facebook. Not real car features, or performance, or MPG, but instead Bluetooth and fucking Facebook.
 
And meanwhile, I have not yet met a single person who actually really likes TPMS.
I hate those fucking things.
"OMG, the tire pressure changed just a little bit" - b/c it's colder today than yesterday. No shit, really?

And that, my friend, is why a nitrogen fill is so easy to sell to those stupid people. The benefits sell themselves if you're already puzzled by temperature-dependent tire pressure.

Imagine the mind blowing carnage when people look at their TPMS after they park one direction in their driveway and another direction at work (the sun on either side of the car). "My left side was higher than my right! Now the right side is higher than the left!"
 
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And that, my friend, is why a nitrogen fill is so easy to sell to those stupid people. The benefits sell themselves if you're already puzzled by temperature-dependent tire pressure.

Imagine the mind blowing carnage when people look at their TPMS after they park one direction in their driveway and another direction at work (the sun on either side of the car). "My left side was higher than my right! Now the right side is higher than the left!"
Dear Lord that went to another level, but I did smile at the fact this is most likely "SAD BUT TRUE" (said in my head with the best Metallica voice I could render).
 
, I have not yet met a single person who actually really likes TPMS

TPMS saves tires. I'd put it on my trailers, but I'm a cheap bastard.

I mean, if we're gonna play all high-and-mighty on this one, I don't think we can simultaneously say that TPMS is for idiots that can't maintain their vehicles, and then bitch when the alarm goes off at 28psi. If the alarm is going off, it's because you're the idiot.
 
TPMS saves tires. I'd put it on my trailers, but I'm a cheap bastard.

I mean, if we're gonna play all high-and-mighty on this one, I don't think we can simultaneously say that TPMS is for idiots that can't maintain their vehicles, and then bitch when the alarm goes off at 28psi. If the alarm is going off, it's because you're the idiot.
or the TPMS has reached it's lifespan like they do all the time on Mercedes to the tune of a couple hundred bucks...the alternative is to stare at a flashing light all the time. My '11 Dodge doesn't have them and I was jumping for joy about it.
 
TPMS saves tires. I'd put it on my trailers, but I'm a cheap bastard.

I mean, if we're gonna play all high-and-mighty on this one, I don't think we can simultaneously say that TPMS is for idiots that can't maintain their vehicles, and then bitch when the alarm goes off at 28psi. If the alarm is going off, it's because you're the idiot.
It's also a lot different now with everything having 20" wheels and low profile tires from the factory. When everything on the road had 15" wheels it was pretty easy to walk around the car/truck while gassing up and be able to tell easily if a tire was low. With low profile tires it's harder to tell.

First car we had with tpms was a Venza. Pulled out of the yard and the light came on, stopped at the corner and looked it over, tires all looked fine, and continued on the the store (short trip). Got home, still looked fine, but checked and one tires was like 10 psi with a nail in it.

Back to the OP, what vehicle is this so I don't buy one?
 
TPMS saves tires. I'd put it on my trailers, but I'm a cheap bastard.

I mean, if we're gonna play all high-and-mighty on this one, I don't think we can simultaneously say that TPMS is for idiots that can't maintain their vehicles, and then bitch when the alarm goes off at 28psi. If the alarm is going off, it's because you're the idiot.
Or, like Woody pointed out, it's that the sensor is terrible and overly sensitive, and that 28 PSI the tire is at right now is only temporary until later this afternoon.
Maybe I don't really care if the tires are "only" 28 PSI. Tell me when it's 20 and there's a real problem.

Personally I'm OK w/ this kind of thing as an option. I'm sure some people like it. But making it a requirement for all vehicles is BS.

And lets not even get started on the whole automatic driving correction/braking thing...
 
And meanwhile, I have not yet met a single person who actually really likes TPMS.
I hate those fucking things.
"OMG, the tire pressure changed just a little bit" - b/c it's colder today than yesterday. No shit, really?
I really like TPMS. But I don't like the dumb TPMS is that is on my vehicles, where a light comes on and tells you theres an undetermined tire that is low. My mom had an 04 Grand Cherokee, and it would tell you the pressure at each wheel. I loved watching them change during various sun conditions and driving conditions. But I'm one of "those people" who loves numbers/figures/data even if its useless.
 
I really like TPMS. But I don't like the dumb TPMS is that is on my vehicles, where a light comes on and tells you theres an undetermined tire that is low. My mom had an 04 Grand Cherokee, and it would tell you the pressure at each wheel. I loved watching them change during various sun conditions and driving conditions. But I'm one of "those people" who loves numbers/figures/data even if its useless.

My wife's '05 yukon tells individual tire pressures. I don't understand why everything doesn't unless it's something to do with patents or licensing. It is annoying when you have to recalibrate afterms rotating tires...
 
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