4x4cross Side by Side or Time Trials?

Side by Side or Time Trials

  • Total voters
    60
Dylan W. said:
They are talking about racing at the track at the stables......
Click to expand...


I think this needs to be better explained for clarity.

Seeing as last years race was in the forest, the general "assumption" is that this years race will as well.

So WHERE exactly is the race to be held ? I can't tell if it's Uwharrie Stables or the same course from last year in the forest.

Clarity please ?
 
New race is at the URE Adventures stables...not on forest property.

What this poll wants to know...if the RACERS want side by side...or time trials.
This is a poll for potential racers,and racers who raced last year.
 
what type of track are we talking here ? I saw something about an ATV/Motocross track.

I've not been to Uwharrie Stables, a little info here would also help.

Don't mean to be an ass about this, but asking for what sort of racing folks want with out knowing certain specifics, well.....

So it's not in the forest, so the course may not be tree lined single track ( for a vehicle) how wide is the track you are running ? is this an open circut or closed loop? Laps? obstaciles ?

a nice wide track, open circut { a defined beginning and end, not repeated) side by side may be of benifit for the show and the particapants. a closed circut narrow track well, time trials may be the way to go.

You are trying to sell a product without telling us whats for sale......
 
The track will be built...The question is...what number of racers would enter knowing it's side by side racing...versus...what number of racers would not enter knowing it's side by side racing.

The aim is to attract folks from last year, and build on that...how many would not participate in side by side.

Think about the diversity of rigs,driver skill, and what would/could go along with this side by side racing.

Basicaly...think in depth at all the possibilities...pros and cons..from the potential racers view. Think of time issues,safety issues,and every other issue that could potentially affect the race/racers/promoters/fans.

After you have thought of EVERYTHING...(which I have, last may) then weigh in with your vote...remember...potential racers input on the vote only...we all know the crowd wants
blood-n-guts, so to speak. If the majority of the racers will show up for side by side racing...go for it. If not...then we have lost a lot of racers,and out the window goes the experience of last years learnings.

I argued my point and Ricky and Johnny argued their point. We decided to let you guys vote on it so we could use the input from the racers to decide what to do this year.

I will not add my comments or pros and cons because I dont want to sway any votes. It should be fair..and from the racers.

So...How do yall want to race?

A racers vote is wanted...then please add your reasoning for the vote.
 
I understand that, but I need to know a definite date, and what the course is going to be like. Rock garden, logs, mud, etc? Am I going to rip the cross members off my crew cab on a ledge? How long is the course? How much is it to enter? What does it cost to spectate and is there a charge for parking?
 
all that is being worked out...not for sure yet. Its not until may, and there is plenty of time for details to be ironed out. We will up-date as we know more.:popcorn:
 
I am going to repeat Kevin's Question Dylan.
No one can answer this question tehe way it is posed. If the track will be tree lined and have rock crawling sections, no way Id put my junk side by side a $35,000 buggy. However if its a mud drag, yeah lets go side by side. If its a dirt/mud circle yeah we can probably control that.

Up and down through the woods and narrow, hell no.

The answers of everyone will vary based on the track design.
 
Insurance on a side by side race will be out of sight.....just from facility liability stand point. That is one major reason they stopped it at the pro level.
 
SkyHiK5 said:
I am going to repeat Kevin's Question Dylan.
No one can answer this question tehe way it is posed. If the track will be tree lined and have rock crawling sections, no way Id put my junk side by side a $35,000 buggy. However if its a mud drag, yeah lets go side by side. If its a dirt/mud circle yeah we can probably control that.
Up and down through the woods and narrow, hell no.
The answers of everyone will vary based on the track design.
Click to expand...
Those questions should be addressed to Johnny. I am thinking the track design will be based on this poll.
 
time trials.....I do not want to get into a problem with someone because I was responsible for tearing their rig up or vice versa.
 
Frankly I question why your asking for peoples opinions about this.

If your running/planning this event I would hope you can figure this part out. I believe many factors would make this a very simple decision.

If its just to get everyone all excited about the event and talking about it, thats cool.


My advice would be KISS (Keep It Simple Silly) better to have things go very well and expand/improve from there.

I'm more interested to hear more about the event as a whole. Food/Camping/Facilities/parking along with Costs / Fees etc.
 
yager said:
Frankly I question why your asking for peoples opinions about this.

If your running/planning this event I would hope you can figure this part out. I believe many factors would make this a very simple decision.

If its just to get everyone all excited about the event and talking about it, thats cool.


My advice would be KISS (Keep It Simple Silly) better to have things go very well and expand/improve from there.

I'm more interested to hear more about the event as a whole. Food/Camping/Facilities/parking along with Costs / Fees etc.
Click to expand...

I am also asking the first question in your thread...which is the point that I am making. Dont re-invent the wheel, just take what we have already learned works and build on it.

The other stuff will be addressed in time. Right now, simple things are getting in the way and causing the planning to be prolonged to a point of confusion on my part. It's like last year did'nt happen.

This poll matters more than folks know right now.

I am for the 4x4cross at a new location with much of the same classes and rules that went well last year. I dont think side by side is the way to go. I got it all figured out, just need the support/opinions of every potential racer.
 
Frankly I wouldn't race my junk period. But more to the point, we're off roaders, off roading means crawling, picking lines, and driving. I don't see how this can be done in a side by side race. IMHO a side by side race takes away from the sport of rock crawling. I voted time trials.

Just another point, the liability and insurance for a side by side race would be huge. 2nd year for the cross, keep things simple, go with what has proven to work.
 
I was thinking of racing, but if it is going to be side by side I'm out. I know what my driving skills are, but the person beside of me I would have know clue. To my opinion to race side by side it would cost everyone too much money on beafing up protection from the other driver and in repairs. Yhen you figure in entry fees I don't think all of us have pockets that go that deep. If you want side by side why not have 10-20 at a time. If not time trial I'm a no show.
 
To those asking about the camping, fees and whatnot, it has been discussed but until were ready to release the info were not saying. I am your sole contact for that info, Johnny and Jackie are purposely not gonna be posting at all on here in an effort to avoid the cluster explicative that happened on the forum last year when you'd hear one thing from me, another from Sean, etc, etc.


Obviously you are all to much of sissy's (I have been purposely trying not to cuss anymore since i got outta college, it makes me seem dumb when i talk but bear with me) to run side by side :flipoff2:


but yea, all info from the event will be going throu me and will be posted when Johnny and I see fit to do so, most of it has been discussed but we are not ready to release it yet.

However here is a cool lil map of the stables and kinda how it will be setup for yall to get an idea, I will also post it in the event thread. But once again this thread is not for the event details it is simply the poll.

On the track there would be open areas for passing and other area that are too skinny lil bit of both, most of the track is already pushed out, it just needs the hills/holes/logs/etc added to make it more interesting.




aimg.photobucket.com_albums_v674_jrraw23_4x4track.jpg
 
I think the track should be more technical than fast. Sure there should be a few hammer down sections, but i think it should be about the driver, his machine, and his willingness to push it to his/her own limits. This takes the motor aspect out of it and puts it in the drivers hands. Keeps the classes simpler, and takes the 500 hp jeep down to the level of the 150 hp jeep. Its all based on drivability of man and his machine. Worry about the course and how you are going to drive it...not how Fred is going to drive beside ya.

I do think that if enough folks TRULY are willing to do side bt side racing , that we should offer that as an exibition type deal. That would be cool to watch and would solve a delema(sp) I am open to the idea of seeing BIGWOODY AND /??? RACE BALLS OUT side by side..and a few others that dare. I just dont see the majority of potential racers opting for this.
 
I'm in for side by side, also if you are worried about your rig gettin damaged, by a ps3 and play nascar 09:fuck-you:
 
Side by side.

ONLY if you could potentially pass on most of the track...at least 3/4 of it or so...the only passing in 3 spots would definitely take out the fun... being able to cross the finish line nose to nose would be crucial for an exciting event...

Maybe just make one class for side by side the rest would be time trial. It should have the biggest purse to promote entry...and...it'll be the most fun to watch...

Anyone who would enter side by side wouldn't mind a bent bar or two from a racing mishap...

Prolly also have to have more strict safety rules for the class as well...

EDIT: Track design suggestion...funny, as I was thinking about this today before seeing this thread...
I'd like to see a double spanning a rock obstacle... just like 6 or 7 feet or something...enough of a rock obstacle in between them to where if a racer jumped and cleared they'd save 6 or 7 seconds of time as opposed to bumping through it
 
I am for time trials also. I would be fine with side by side if everyone signed a waiver before the race saying no one else is responsible if their rig is damaged AND if, like said above, there were more spots to pass.
 
Pshhh. wussies everywhere!

Side by Side is where its at. As a competitor I am way more likely to push harder for the win if i am busy trying to fender the other rig.

anybody wants to hit my jeep during a race, then go right ahead. Just don't come crying when your shat is broke because you got the short end of that stick.

FWIW, Stump and myself were begging to let Dylan send us thru the starting gate one after another at the first UREcross event.

pull up your panties and lets race!!
 
I think this is pretty ez to solve, ONE "series" is the Timed event and then for the folks who want to enter the 2nd event of side by side, let em?

(Or maybe let the side by side time count in the first event too? Especially considering many rigs will not LIVE to run it the second time, ha!)
 
Back
Top