87 suburban 1/2 to 1 ton conversion

toyotaman84

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I have an 87" suburban tbi 350 th700r4 np208 with 10 bolt 8.5 axles under it now.
I want to swap in a dana 60 front from a 84 military 1 1/4 truck A 14bolt out of a 3/4 ton truck. the rear will have disc brakes with 3/4 ton front calipers.
I need to know what all i need to do the swap fast so i can have all the parts in front of me when i get ready to do it. i will be using this as my tow rig and need the brakes and stuff to work right so do i need a proportioning valve? if so what kind? what u joints do i need? what brake lines? do i need to upgrade to a bigger master cylinder? also i have seen people putting the 3/4 ton brakes on the d60 front. what is the purpose behind that? let me know what i need and what i need to do. part numbers for the parts i need would be great. thanks for your help.
 
Not sure on part #s etc, but as far as I know the frames are different between a 1/2 ton an a 1 ton. Your axles will be stronger after the swap, but you are still stuck with the 1/2 frame, hitch, etc.
I would sell the parts and the 1/2 ton and find a 3/4 ton. They are plentiful.
 
I am thinking it will pretty much a bolt in swap. You will have to change the drive shaft lengths though I do believe. As far as the brakes goes, the rear will be the issue. Since you are gonna run disc in the rear you will need a master cylinder from a 4 wheel disc truck, or I think most folks use a Corvette one, but not sure what year. I think you will want to upgrade the rear springs too, and of course get the fronts to match. Now it seems that there is a lot to do, but many have done it. good luck
 
I want to swap in a dana 60 front from a 84 military 1 1/4 truck A 14bolt out of a 3/4 ton truck

Don't wait until you're performing (or after :shaking: ) to confirm the R&P ratios MATCH in both axles! IOW, don't assume they are what you were told, etc... pull the covers and read/confirm the numbers for yourself!

i will be using this as my tow rig and need the brakes and stuff to work right

Do you plan to run taller tires or stay with the stock 235(245)/75/16s? If it were mine, skip all configurations that don't include Hydro-Boost regardless! My 3/4 ton Sub will sling you thru the windshield...

also i have seen people putting the 3/4 ton brakes on the d60 front. what is the purpose behind that?

Smaller calipers = easier to fit under (existing) 15" rims or maybe it just cheaper...
 
Not sure on part #s etc, but as far as I know the frames are different between a 1/2 ton an a 1 ton. Your axles will be stronger after the swap, but you are still stuck with the 1/2 frame, hitch, etc.
I would sell the parts and the 1/2 ton and find a 3/4 ton. They are plentiful.

I have some experience in this arena, as I'm sure many of us do. This is overall the best advice you could take. The later 80's trucks give you more obstacles to deal with when it comes to doing things right. I had an 85 1/2T PU that was in pretty good shape I got for cheap, which I tried to make into a 1 ton tow rig after dumping money on top of money for parts alone I finally gave up and sold it. You would be well ahead of the game to sell your 1/2 ton and find a decent 3/4 ton. You dont need the 60 for towing and you could take the money you saved to drop in a 454ci and some hydro-boost brakes.

here is link to the FS thread: http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=654164&highlight=
 
thanks for the help. ive aready got the axles and i have already regeared them to 4.88s i have a set of 16.5 rims to use and plan on running 37" h1 radial tires the towing rpm range for a small block is between 1800-2800 and with the 488s and 37s with it in drive should put me at the high end of that so hills wont be an issue. and then just for driving around it will go into overdrive and put me just short of 2000 rpms at 60 mph. the only reason i am using the dana60 is because i have it laying around as well as the other stuff. ive got a 1ton master cylinder that i could use i was just wandering about a proportioning valve. should i get an ajustable in line one or could i find a factory one that would work with the 4 wheel disc setup? ive got a close friend at the drive shaft shop that can lengthen or shorten my drive shafts. i was just wandering about the u-joints do they make a "bastard" joint that would work for that application? i know the dana 60 is overkill but i wanna be able to use this as a recovery vehicle if i have to. any more info would be greatly appriciated.
 
thanks for the help. ive aready got the axles and i have already regeared them to 4.88s i have a set of 16.5 rims to use and plan on running 37" h1 radial tires the towing rpm range for a small block is between 1800-2800 and with the 488s and 37s with it in drive should put me at the high end of that so hills wont be an issue. and then just for driving around it will go into overdrive and put me just short of 2000 rpms at 60 mph. the only reason i am using the dana60 is because i have it laying around as well as the other stuff. ive got a 1ton master cylinder that i could use i was just wandering about a proportioning valve. should i get an ajustable in line one or could i find a factory one that would work with the 4 wheel disc setup? ive got a close friend at the drive shaft shop that can lengthen or shorten my drive shafts. i was just wandering about the u-joints do they make a "bastard" joint that would work for that application? i know the dana 60 is overkill but i wanna be able to use this as a recovery vehicle if i have to. any more info would be greatly appriciated.
 
Gosh I had always dreamed of a d60 14bolt combo under my 3/4 ton suburban. My brakes were set fine. So make sure the 14 bolt spring perches and shock mounts are in correct place aswell. I believe napa sells a u joint conversion kit. And dshafts need to be changed iin length obviously. Also check the condition of that 700r4. Th400kicks butt imo. Some people say look for a 3/4 ton but if you can do the build go for it. More kick ass if you get it all done.

Oh carolinak5.com has people that deal with a lot of this aswell

Good luck....if you do this post some pics man
 
the 700r4 is new and shifts great and will shift even better with this shift kit ive got and if it goes out it will be turned into a straight drive. and the rear is out of a 3/4 ton so the spring purches should be the same. i will deff start a build thread of this one once i get all my parts together.
 
OK first with the rear driveshaft. If your factory driveshaft has inside lock rings on the rear yoke, you need the combination u-joint : Napa #447. If your driveshaft has outside lock rings, then you can use the factory ujoint: Napa #331(Spicer 1350).


The front driveshaft: You should be able to use the stock u-joint, if your 60 is an 84. But just in case, here is the year breakdown for you.

If your front axle is 1980-1987 you can use the oem front joint: Napa #534G.

If your front axle is a 79, you need the same combo joint: Napa #447.

If your front axle is a 77-78, you need the combo u-joint: Napa #372

People put 3/4 ton brakes on the front 60 in order to run smaller master cylinders, and to clear smaller diameter wheels.

The front brake lines for the 60 should bolt in to your frame-side lines with no problem.

As for your rear brakes, there are many different choices as far as what line, and what fitting all depending on if you want rubber or stainless lines, and if you want one flexible line going to each wheel, or if you want the factory orientation of one line down to a T fitting on the axle, then going to each rear wheel.


As far as mounting the Front axle, it should be completely bolt in as a replacement for your 10 bolt.

On the rear axle:
The easiest and fastest way to get it mounted is to chop off the perches from the 14b. Get a 14b simple swap kit (like the one from ruffstuffspecialties.com) that includes perches, ubolts and plates, and shock mounts, and make the perches and mounts match the factory 10bolt. Once you get everything located and burned in, its just a matter of bolting back in, and figure out your brakes.

You stock master cylinder will work with these axles, but it is often replaced with a 1ton unit. The brakes on the 60 require alot more fluid volume to operate than the factory 10bolt brakes. As well, the rear calipers take more fluid to operate than the factory drums, so look for one that has close to matched reservoirs as possible.

You would need an OEM 1ton Prop valve, that came off something that has the same fittings as you master cyl, and valved correctly for rear discs. The simpler solution for the prop valve is just grab an aftermarket adjustable one, and tune it to your liking.


As far as your driveshaft lengths:

Both the 60 and 14B are longer when me measured from the axle centerline to the pinion face when compared to the factory 10 bolts.

When swapping to tons, you can A) run the stock dshafts and risk binding at compression. B) have the shafts shortened, c) have new shafts made up.

What we did on our 84 1/2 SUB when we swapped in tons, the factory driveshafts were the correct length because of the 4" lift kit on it. The lift kit made the effective length of the d-shafts longer, while the axles made them shorter. I know for a fact, that with a 4" lift kit, the stock d-shafts are the correct length. I would know more about swapping to rear disc, but we kept the stock drums, and retained the factory e-brakes. We are also running the OEM master cylinder, and prop valve. This also allowed us to use the 14bolt OEM brake lines connected to the OEM frame side rear line. You sacrifice the weight savings and simplicity of rear discs, but you save time in having to find a M/C, prop valve, and put together all the lines and fittings.

If you wanted, get the axles in, keep the drums for now. Then try everything out see what you think, then swap to rear discs later on, just a thought. It would save time and money right now, and you'd be done and driving sooner.

Shoot me a PM or an email, if you have any other specific questions.
 
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