am I legal?

Tim

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I have searched and searched and searched, going to uwharrie soon, using my 2009 toyota tacoma doublecab v6 (rated to pull 6500lbs) and I have trailer brakes
my trailer 1500lbs aprox
and my samurai 2250-2500 lbs
am I good on a passenger tag?
 
No, not on a passenger tag. Assuming your Tacoma is ~4500lbs, plus 1500 trailer and 2500 samurai, you need a weighted tag of about 9000lbs. I think the passenger tags are only good up to 6 or 7k if specified.
 
Wow really nc, looks like I'll be looking for a larger truck, I am not putting weighted tags on a mid size pickup
 
timmersinger said:
Wow really nc, looks like I'll be looking for a larger truck, I am not putting weighted tags on a mid size pickup
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And you will have to put weighted tags on it also..... Need an SUV if you want around the tags....
 
Here's the relevant section in Chapter 20:

§ 20‑88. Property‑hauling vehicles.
(a) Determination of Weight. – For the purpose of licensing, the weight of self‑propelled property‑carrying vehicles shall be the empty weight and heaviest load to be transported, as declared by the owner or operator; provided, that any determination of weight shall be made only in units of 1,000 pounds or major fraction thereof, weights of over 500 pounds counted as 1,000 and weights of 500 pounds or less disregarded. The declared gross weight of self‑propelled property‑carrying vehicles operated in conjunction with trailers or semitrailers shall include the empty weight of the vehicles to be operated in the combination and the heaviest load to be transported by such combination at any time during the registration period, except that the gross weight of a trailer or semitrailer is not required to be included when the operation is to be in conjunction with a self‑propelled property‑carrying vehicle which is licensed for 6,000 pounds or less gross weight and the gross weight of such combination does not exceed 9,000 pounds, except wreckers as defined under G.S. 20‑4.01(50). Those property‑hauling vehicles registered for 4,000 pounds shall be permitted a tolerance of 500 pounds above the weight permitted under the table of weights and rates appearing in subsection (b) of this section.
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What I get out of that is that if your truck weighs less than 6k (and is tagged for 6k or less), you can gross up to 9k on a passenger tag. Only way to know for sure is to weigh the whole thing.
 
I normally use a Tahoe, but wanted to use my truck for once, I realize a larger truck would need a weighted tag, i think it's silly to have one on a mid size truck
 
That and id rather have more butt towing, half tons get the same mileage I do, offer more room and more power.
 
shawn said:
Here's the relevant section in Chapter 20:



What I get out of that is that if your truck weighs less than 6k (and is tagged for 6k or less), you can gross up to 9k on a passenger tag. Only way to know for sure is to weigh the whole thing.
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Interesting, I was unaware of that loop hole, looked up the GVWR of a Tacoma Double Cab, it appears to be 5450lbs, so it squeezes by. As mentioned, why not just use the SUV? The Tahoe is exempt of weighted tag requirements, has 1/2 ton brakes, and should have more low end grunt.
 
the gross weight of a trailer or semitrailer is not required to be included when the operation is to be in conjunction with a self‑propelled property‑carrying vehicle which is licensed for 6,000 pounds or less gross weight and the gross weight of such combination does not exceed 9,000 pounds,
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to me this reads that a regular passenger tag is good to 9k.

It doesnt specifically state that the truck has to weigh under 6k, but that the plate is 6k & total load is under 9k. Or am i interpreting that wrong?
 
paradisePWoffrd said:
to me this reads that a regular passenger tag is good to 9k.

It doesnt specifically state that the truck has to weigh under 6k, but that the plate is 6k & total load is under 9k. Or am i interpreting that wrong?
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No, it says 6k gross for the tow vehicle, 9k gross combined.

If the tow vehicle grosses 7k, it has to have weighted tags regardless. That's in a separate section.
 
paradisePWoffrd said:
to me this reads that a regular passenger tag is good to 9k.

It doesnt specifically state that the truck has to weigh under 6k, but that the plate is 6k & total load is under 9k. Or am i interpreting that wrong?
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shawn said:
No, it says 6k gross for the tow vehicle, 9k gross combined.

If the tow vehicle grosses 7k, it has to have weighted tags regardless. That's in a separate section.
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I'm not a lawyer, never even pretended to be one, but after reading that section too many times, I'm gonna agree with Ben on this one.
 
NCGS said:
except that the gross weight of a trailer or semitrailer is not required to be included when the operation is to be in conjunction with a self‑propelled property‑carrying vehicle which is licensed for 6,000 pounds or less gross weight and the gross weight of such combination does not exceed 9,000 pounds
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So apparently, if its under 9k pounds total load, you don't have to count the weight of the trailer. So is that 9k pounds counting the trailer or not?
 
shawn said:
No, it says 6k gross for the tow vehicle, 9k gross combined.

If the tow vehicle grosses 7k, it has to have weighted tags regardless. That's in a separate section.
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RenegadeT said:
I'm not a lawyer, never even pretended to be one, but after reading that section too many times, I'm gonna agree with Ben on this one.
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So, i was going just based on this section. Given that another section states that a vehicle over 7k requires weighted tags.

jeepinmatt said:
So apparently, if its under 9k pounds total load, you don't have to count the weight of the trailer. So is that 9k pounds counting the trailer or not?
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If Im getting all this correctly. Tow vehicle under 6k gross and total load under 9k gross, no weighted tags and youre good. The minute either is over, you need weighted tags.

And none of this has anything really to do with GVWR or GCWR, other then if you are over it is technically illegal?
 
My registration gross weight says 4k but idk if that matters...this stuffs to complicated...gun laws and plate laws are vague here...
 
paradisePWoffrd said:
If Im getting all this correctly. Tow vehicle under 6k gross and total load under 9k gross, no weighted tags and youre good. The minute either is over, you need weighted tags.

And none of this has anything really to do with GVWR or GCWR, other then if you are over it is technically illegal?
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Right, I think we're on the same page.

As for the GVWR, the DOT man doesn't care about that. So long as you've got enough tag to cover the load, you're good. GVWR is mostly for Federal regulations... the whole class 1/2/3/etc truck thing... "Best towing capability in its class", etc. If you look at the sticker on my Dodge, the GVWR is about 9k, which puts it right in class 2B with the rest of the F250s and stuff. But if you add up the axle weight limits, it's over 11k, which should put it in class 3 with the F350s and 3500s. Basically, the GVWR number is a little arbitrary, and can be shaped by things like CAFE standards and Federal truck classifications that don't necessarily correspond to the actual load carrying ability of the vehicle.

Not only that, but NC Chapter 20 grants exceptions if the vehicle has been modified to carry additional weight. So if you put 19.5s and air bags on your F250, then you might be able to carry more weight than the sticker says.
 
shawn said:
Right, I think we're on the same page.

As for the GVWR, the DOT man doesn't care about that. So long as you've got enough tag to cover the load, you're good. GVWR is mostly for Federal regulations... the whole class 1/2/3/etc truck thing... "Best towing capability in its class", etc. If you look at the sticker on my Dodge, the GVWR is about 9k, which puts it right in class 2B with the rest of the F250s and stuff. But if you add up the axle weight limits, it's over 11k, which should put it in class 3 with the F350s and 3500s. Basically, the GVWR number is a little arbitrary, and can be shaped by things like CAFE standards and Federal truck classifications that don't necessarily correspond to the actual load carrying ability of the vehicle.

Not only that, but NC Chapter 20 grants exceptions if the vehicle has been modified to carry additional weight. So if you put 19.5s and air bags on your F250, then you might be able to carry more weight than the sticker says.
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Correct. I was more referring to federal about the gvwr.
 
timmersinger said:
My registration gross weight says 4k but idk if that matters...this stuffs to complicated...gun laws and plate laws are vague here...
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If you look at what Shawn posted above, you tagged for 4k, so you are limited to 4500 combined.
 
Well the last time I was at the DMV here in Charlotte they had signs everywhere stating that all pickup trucks are required to have a weighted tag. It doesn't seem fair to me, but that is what the signs said. I even asked the lady when I got up to the counter and she said that it was true.
 
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