Lorenzo816
CTB
- Joined
- Jan 12, 2008
- Location
- Cabarrus County, NC
I want to see if this bellhousing I got is a fit and overall do some measurements before I go find one of my own.
I'm working on an idea that has spawned about two decades now on various internet forum boards. Pirate has most of this covered and 4x4wire if anyone remembers that!
The premise is this: The Aisin R series trans is pretty much interchangeable with so many other Models, you just have to know what to swap. Toyota mini trucks, tacoma, t100, colorado, trooper, soltice, sky all used a version of the R series trans. Nose cones a little different across the models. Spline length and spline count changed per model trans too. Output shaft diameter and spline count as well as bolt pattern varies wildly across all of those models.
The goal is to get lower gears in the Isuzu without breaking shit and breaking the piggy bank too. I'm already 3:1 with the gears I have but would like to get to 4:1 or lower for more control.
There has been a handful of guys who have used an Ar5 bell and swapped input shafts over to an R150 trans and gone dual cases Yota, Marlin crawler gears and a bunch of adapters and input shaft swap-outs.
I've seen one of these in person and talked to a guy from out west that did it in his Amigo with Marlin way back in the 2000s.
Now I just don't think the dual cases and 23 spline stuff is gonna hold up unless I get the high dollar cromo output shaft. Plus the money into the adapters, you may as well buy a dang toyota. There is even a crawl box you can buy to put in between the Chain case on the r150 and the trans output. That's high dollar too.
Anyhow, there is another method I want to try out. Ax15 to Dana300 with 4:1 and 1310 yokes to connect my shafts and be near the same driveline I have today.
How am I gonna do that? Good question, I'm not sure yet but here goes...
For like 2 or 3 years only the dakota 2.5 wasn't the same as the 2.5 amc motors (IIRC) This was around 96-98ish. I'm pretty sure the five speed for that model was a 2wd AX15 but I'm not 100% certain.
The bolt pattern on the back of the engine was 60° which is what the GM stuff is and Isuzu (even thought the 3.2 and 3.5 are 75° motors) I'd like to see if anyone nearby would let me bolt up this bellhousing I have to an AX15 and do some measuring.
Now if this works, I think I need to find certain models AX15 as only a few were external slave.
If you guys know which ones, post up. I heard it was 95-99 but I don't know if only the wranglers had them. If more jeeps had an AX15 with external slave, that gives me more options at junkyards to go chase down.
What you guys say? Thoughts? I figure I'd share my thoughts here and see if anyone has a trans I can go check out.
if this don't work, I may chase down the r150 dual case route but get a soltice ar5 so I can swap input shafts. It turns out that those Ricer guys want the shorter input shaft for a 2jz bellhousing to bolt to the soltice/sky ar5, whereas we want the longer shaft for the ar5 on the trooper bellhousing. So win-win to cover the costs of one Trans by selling another but still a money pit when you have to put in dual cases and an adapter.
I'm working on an idea that has spawned about two decades now on various internet forum boards. Pirate has most of this covered and 4x4wire if anyone remembers that!
The premise is this: The Aisin R series trans is pretty much interchangeable with so many other Models, you just have to know what to swap. Toyota mini trucks, tacoma, t100, colorado, trooper, soltice, sky all used a version of the R series trans. Nose cones a little different across the models. Spline length and spline count changed per model trans too. Output shaft diameter and spline count as well as bolt pattern varies wildly across all of those models.
The goal is to get lower gears in the Isuzu without breaking shit and breaking the piggy bank too. I'm already 3:1 with the gears I have but would like to get to 4:1 or lower for more control.
There has been a handful of guys who have used an Ar5 bell and swapped input shafts over to an R150 trans and gone dual cases Yota, Marlin crawler gears and a bunch of adapters and input shaft swap-outs.
I've seen one of these in person and talked to a guy from out west that did it in his Amigo with Marlin way back in the 2000s.
Now I just don't think the dual cases and 23 spline stuff is gonna hold up unless I get the high dollar cromo output shaft. Plus the money into the adapters, you may as well buy a dang toyota. There is even a crawl box you can buy to put in between the Chain case on the r150 and the trans output. That's high dollar too.
Anyhow, there is another method I want to try out. Ax15 to Dana300 with 4:1 and 1310 yokes to connect my shafts and be near the same driveline I have today.
How am I gonna do that? Good question, I'm not sure yet but here goes...
For like 2 or 3 years only the dakota 2.5 wasn't the same as the 2.5 amc motors (IIRC) This was around 96-98ish. I'm pretty sure the five speed for that model was a 2wd AX15 but I'm not 100% certain.
The bolt pattern on the back of the engine was 60° which is what the GM stuff is and Isuzu (even thought the 3.2 and 3.5 are 75° motors) I'd like to see if anyone nearby would let me bolt up this bellhousing I have to an AX15 and do some measuring.
Now if this works, I think I need to find certain models AX15 as only a few were external slave.
If you guys know which ones, post up. I heard it was 95-99 but I don't know if only the wranglers had them. If more jeeps had an AX15 with external slave, that gives me more options at junkyards to go chase down.
What you guys say? Thoughts? I figure I'd share my thoughts here and see if anyone has a trans I can go check out.
if this don't work, I may chase down the r150 dual case route but get a soltice ar5 so I can swap input shafts. It turns out that those Ricer guys want the shorter input shaft for a 2jz bellhousing to bolt to the soltice/sky ar5, whereas we want the longer shaft for the ar5 on the trooper bellhousing. So win-win to cover the costs of one Trans by selling another but still a money pit when you have to put in dual cases and an adapter.
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