Anyone watching Revolution?

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I'm dead hooked on this show. I'm not a survivalist by any means (matter of fact I'd probably last a week at best under those conditions), but it's a pretty cool show. Whatever CGI they are using to make real landmarks appear that they've been overgrown by 15 years of vegetation is pretty darn cool.
 
Seems to be a decent show, I am dvring it. Anyone else notice how much the black general looks like Obama?
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That's Giancarlo Esposito. He's been in a lot.

I think it's a pretty good show. I don't understand why all the decent shows are coming on at 10PM though. Some people have to work! The main character Charlie could use some better dialog too. The pilot episode with the planes falling out of the air was creepy.
 
I dunno, it's a neat premise and the tension/directing etc is pretty good... I've only watched 1-2 episodes... but I just can't get past the fact that it just doesn't make any sense.
I mean, there's no reason why our ability to make electricity would just "stop" and nobody, out of millions of people, would be able to figure it out... for 15 years...? I mean all you need is a water wheel and a big turbine.
It's like it's playing on people's lack of understanding of electricity and power, perpetuating the notion it's some kind of nebulous magical force that nobody understands... but this is stuff we teach in elementary school.
 
Just because you picked that up in school doesn't mean others did. This could happen & there would be a lot of people in this country that wouldn't have a clue! 15 years, no. Only a few weeks would cause great problems though. I try to look past that detail. It does say something about how dumb they think their viewership is. :)
 
RatLabGuy said:
I dunno, it's a neat premise and the tension/directing etc is pretty good... I've only watched 1-2 episodes... but I just can't get past the fact that it just doesn't make any sense.
I mean, there's no reason why our ability to make electricity would just "stop" and nobody, out of millions of people, would be able to figure it out... for 15 years...? I mean all you need is a water wheel and a big turbine.
It's like it's playing on people's lack of understanding of electricity and power, perpetuating the notion it's some kind of nebulous magical force that nobody understands... but this is stuff we teach in elementary school.
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Actually, the premise (although not the way the plot is evolving) is very real, but only on a small scale- from what I understand. The concept of an EMP device (ElectroMagnetic Pulse) detonated in the atmosphere (imagine a nuclear bomb without all the devestation - instead of Hiroshima, we get the 19th Century), would take out the power grid and everything running solid state circuitry that was not sheilded by lead. The idea is that the pulse is so large that it treats every bit of copper wire and fiber like a big fuse. Anything attatched to any power source would instantly be zapped, much like if your flat screen TV took a direct lightning hit. This is why transformers would burst into flames and cars and planes would cease to run and stop in their place.

The main issue I have with the reality of the show is that there are things like bicycles that I have yet to see in the show that I'd imagine would become as critical (and a whole lot more practical) as a horse, I'd invision that cars that were built prior to the existance of solid state electronics (pre-60's VW's which there are still a bunch of) would still run for a while if you can get it push started and pop the clutch... older farm equipment....etc.

Here's what I'm fuzzy on...

What I've read on the subject is sketchy on whether or not computers that are NOT connected to a power source would also be fried. Reason I wonder this is that in the event of an EMP attack, would a vehicle's ECM sitting in it's box on a warehouse shelf still take the same hit as one in a vehicle out on the road? If not, then my theory would be that a certain amount of vehicles could get back on the road by swapping in what's left in supply inventories (that people can't access because they don't have a computer!). If it's the ECM that takes the hit, perhaps I'll snag a spare for each of my vehicles and bury them in a lead lined box. Doubt it would matter - I'd probably run out of food and die learning how to hunt anyway!
 
EMPs induce very high voltage and current into every electrical conductor, plugged in or not, turned on or not, electronic or not. It would fry windings in relay coils, motors, alternators, starters, diodes, resistors, etc, etc.

Nothing that was dependent upon electricity would work. The voltages induced would be higher than the insulators break down voltage, which means the insulation would conduct also. Hence, it'd melt or burn. You can likely forget about driving anything, no matter how old it is, dependent upon how far away from the origin of the pulse you are.
 
13bullets said:
EMPs induce very high voltage and current into every electrical conductor, plugged in or not, turned on or not, electronic or not. It would fry windings in relay coils, motors, alternators, starters, diodes, resistors, etc, etc.

Nothing that was dependent upon electricity would work. The voltages induced would be higher than the insulators break down voltage, which means the insulation would conduct also. Hence, it'd melt or burn. You can likely forget about driving anything, no matter how old it is, dependent upon how far away from the origin of the pulse you are.
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Now that's the answer I had been looking for. I hadn't thought about motor windings.
 
read ONE SECOND AFTER. I believe this tv program is loosely based around the book.
 
OK ok Ok hold on a second here.

First of all, while EMPs are theoretically possible, and have been proven on a small scale, it takes a shitpile of energy. Something with enough power to take out *all electronic devices* on the scale of a country etc would also have to be intense enough that it would destroy all kinds of biological material, not to mention frying brains, hearts, etc which all are effected by electrical signals (TMS on a large scale lol, or like how defibrillators work). The destruction would be alot more than just electronic stuff.

But that's all irrelevant b/c they really haven't hinted it was an EMP, from what I gather part of the point of the show is people trying to figure out what happened. If I understand right it's more like "the power won't come back" whatever the hell that means. An EMP is a one-time deal.

But I can look past all that.
What dosn't make sense is, once the power goes out, shit stops working... what the fark happened to the hundreds of thousands of engineers, or electricians, or scientists or anybody who knows how to build things and fix them? I mean come on, in 10-15 years, nobody figures out they can just rebuild things? All you need to make electricity is a water source, a couple of electrical plates, a big drum and a lot of wire.

Yes, sure shit will be crazy for a few weeks, a month even. But it's just stupid to think that nobody could create power, even on a small scale.

And yeah, why aren't there more simple machines being used?
 
watching it but losing interest.... storyline is stale and predictable. Hope it gets better I thought the same thing about "The Walking Dead" in season 1 but now it's one of my favorite shows.
 
mountainTJ said:
watching it but losing interest.... storyline is stale and predictable. Hope it gets better I thought the same thing about "The Walking Dead" in season 1 but now it's one of my favorite shows.
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And it's coming back on this Sunday!
 
RatLabGuy said:
OK ok Ok hold on a second here.

First of all, while EMPs are theoretically possible, and have been proven on a small scale, it takes a shitpile of energy. Something with enough power to take out *all electronic devices* on the scale of a country etc would also have to be intense enough that it would destroy all kinds of biological material, not to mention frying brains, hearts, etc which all are effected by electrical signals (TMS on a large scale lol, or like how defibrillators work). The destruction would be alot more than just electronic stuff.

But that's all irrelevant b/c they really haven't hinted it was an EMP, from what I gather part of the point of the show is people trying to figure out what happened. If I understand right it's more like "the power won't come back" whatever the hell that means. An EMP is a one-time deal.

But I can look past all that.
What dosn't make sense is, once the power goes out, shit stops working... what the fark happened to the hundreds of thousands of engineers, or electricians, or scientists or anybody who knows how to build things and fix them? I mean come on, in 10-15 years, nobody figures out they can just rebuild things? All you need to make electricity is a water source, a couple of electrical plates, a big drum and a lot of wire.

Yes, sure shit will be crazy for a few weeks, a month even. But it's just stupid to think that nobody could create power, even on a small scale.

And yeah, why aren't there more simple machines being used?
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I agree, they haven't hinted towards EMP, but that's the only thing that would have made sense. Instead, the writers are illuding to some sort of mystical force that's contained in pendants that can store energy (or whatever - I haven't seen last nights yet - its on DVR). I agree, the far-fetchedness of that concept is making me lose interest fast. I'm liking the occasional humor and how they are filling us back in on events from between teh blackout and now. I particularly liked the scene when they are travelling together as a family with the food in the wagon and the girl gets snagged by the banker-looking dude looking to rob them of their wagon of food. The husband pulls his gun but can't bring himself to shoot the man in the back taking all their food, but the wife does. It really made me think about things in that perspective.
 
RatLabGuy said:
OK ok Ok hold on a second here.

First of all, while EMPs are theoretically possible, and have been proven on a small scale, it takes a shitpile of energy. Something with enough power to take out *all electronic devices* on the scale of a country etc would also have to be intense enough that it would destroy all kinds of biological material, not to mention frying brains, hearts, etc which all are effected by electrical signals (TMS on a large scale lol, or like how defibrillators work). The destruction would be alot more than just electronic stuff.

But that's all irrelevant b/c they really haven't hinted it was an EMP, from what I gather part of the point of the show is people trying to figure out what happened. If I understand right it's more like "the power won't come back" whatever the hell that means. An EMP is a one-time deal.

But I can look past all that.
What dosn't make sense is, once the power goes out, shit stops working... what the fark happened to the hundreds of thousands of engineers, or electricians, or scientists or anybody who knows how to build things and fix them? I mean come on, in 10-15 years, nobody figures out they can just rebuild things? All you need to make electricity is a water source, a couple of electrical plates, a big drum and a lot of wire.

Yes, sure shit will be crazy for a few weeks, a month even. But it's just stupid to think that nobody could create power, even on a small scale.

And yeah, why aren't there more simple machines being used?
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so when it hits the fan you come live with me, i have a creek lots of antique powere equipment and a pre 1900's house. we have seven fireplaces and if you can't get the electricity going you can cut wood! oh you can have the wood shed to sleep in, don't mind the chickens.......
 
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