auto-darkening helmet

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I know you get what you pay for, but can I get by with a $50 auto-darkening welding mask? I'm not gonna do much welding, but I really don't want to burn my eyes out...what's the difference between a good auto-darkening and the $50 one at Northern?
 
A world...My miller helmet is infinately adjustable and has reaction time adjustment, sencitivity adjustment (so when I have a spotlight on the welding location it won't switch the mask), as well as a darness adjustment. And it'll work on better backup if it doesn't get as much solar light. The cheap ones didn't have the sensitivity adjustment and I hated that. The miller is also much more comfortable with a better adjustment strap, so I can easily loosen the tension, and take it off, put it on (I wear a backards hat under it) and put it over my hat and take a 1/4 turn on the nob and its nice and snug.

I don't know if it was in my adjustments or not, but I'd notice my eyes burning a bit after welding a while with the HF one and I have spent alot of time welding with the miller and not had any problems. Like I said, they may not be the helmets fault though.
 
I have a friend that owns a large and busy muffler shop. He has probably 6-8 auto darkening helmets of different makes and doesn't prefer one over the other. After trying some of his out I went out and bought the cheap one from Northern and don't have any complaints.
 
I weld just here and there, don't use it much, but when I do... My $50 one from Northern has done fine for me.
 
Miller, Miller, Miller. Or, as an alternative, Hobart. They're essentially the same helmet now. And...Northern or TSC should carry them. There's a $100 model, a $180 model, and one above that. I would highly recommend the $180 model, as it is an updated version of the Miller I currently use and love for several hours a day. The $180 has a faster reaction time, more adjustments, and an Auto-On feature; meaning if you forget to turn on your helmet, it does it for you when you strike an arc! I wish mine did that. This is one place I would never recommend anybody skimp and get the HF or Northern POS. They are absolute garbage. They blur the welding area, sit too close to the face, the headgear is junk, and they weight a ton. I have a friend who was using a HF for years. I kept trying to get him to get a Miller. I told him the helmet would make him a better welder. He finally picked up the $100 Hobart, and fully agrees with me. His welds DID end up looking significantly better after the purchase.

Basically what I'm saying is this: These are your eyes, the only set you have. Why blow money on crappy protection when for a little more you can have real protection? The $100 Hobart is enough to get by, and definately better than the Northern, but I'd say spend the extra $80 and get the step up. You will NEVER regret it!

Go here and check out the helmets. Don't look at the Pro-Hobby FS-10, it's a fixed-shade, and you don't want that. 10 isn't dark enough for a lot of MIG welding. Run it as dark as you can stand it. But anything above the FS-10, starting at $16, is going to be a good helmet. I use the older version of the Performance series. Compare specs and choose wisely. Northern or TSC should have the Hobart equivalent for about the same price as those listed for the Millers.

Can you tell this is a subject I'm passionate about? :D
 
When I used to work at RAM, one of the guys had a cheapo from harbor freight, we used that thing ALL the time (I used it too), the shop foreman bought himself one as well. I never had a complaint out of it, worked just as good as my Hobart...


I've just had bad experiences with every HF helmet I've used, not the least being bumping my big 'ol honker.
 
i had a 50 northern and i really thought that i was a shitty welder.. my gf got me a hobart hood ... $169 or so and it made a huge difference. very nice and u can get all the parts to fix anything on it u may break at northern or tractor supply
 
i got a HF one at home it has sensitivity and dark adjustments, i have a miller at the shop, i don't weld everyday but honestly i don't see a difference in them, although my miller needs a new lens so if anything i like the HF more right now.
 
Yeah

Mine's a hobart. It's just the cheap one that doesn't have any adjustments. I'll get one of those when I get a real job.
 
I got the $80 HF one, not teh cheapy (the next-to-cheapy, lol). It has darkness and sensitivity adjustment.
2 things I don't like. 1 - the battery is non-replacement, "llfetime"... 2 - the screen is cheap plastic and scratches easily. Luckily you can easily pop it out so replacement would be no big deal.

I have only used it a little, but thus far I can't complain. See no difference between it and the old non-auto Miller ones I used at Forsyth Tech.
For me, the key here is "minimal use". I figure in a year it will get about 50 hrs of actual exposure/use. The cost difference just is not worth it to a guy like me. The $100+ could be used for other stuff (liek towards a welder). The responsse time stats are functionally similar to the expensive ones.

BTW - if you can SEE the arc before it darkens, then it's too slow. The expoure time for damage to occur is less than teh time it takes for the information to reach the right part of your brain.
 
I have used the Harbor Freight auto for 3 years now and it works fine for me. Got the HF flyer in the mail today, they're $44.88 and then there is a 15% coupon in it also = $38.15. I might go buy a spare :)
 
I got the $80 HF one, not teh cheapy (the next-to-cheapy, lol). It has darkness and sensitivity adjustment.
2 things I don't like. 1 - the battery is non-replacement, "llfetime"... 2 - the screen is cheap plastic and scratches easily. Luckily you can easily pop it out so replacement would be no big deal.
I have only used it a little, but thus far I can't complain. See no difference between it and the old non-auto Miller ones I used at Forsyth Tech.
For me, the key here is "minimal use". I figure in a year it will get about 50 hrs of actual exposure/use. The cost difference just is not worth it to a guy like me. The $100+ could be used for other stuff (liek towards a welder). The responsse time stats are functionally similar to the expensive ones.
BTW - if you can SEE the arc before it darkens, then it's too slow. The expoure time for damage to occur is less than teh time it takes for the information to reach the right part of your brain.

The FoTech helmets were Jacksons, if they're still using the same crusty oldies they had when I took the class. And I disagree about the money being better spend elsewhere. Skimp on gloves or sleeves and get the cheapies, but I don't think you should skimp on the hood or the welder. It's not so much the reaction time, they all offer similar specs there. It's the quality of the lens, comfort, reliability, and size of viewing window that matter most to me. I went "cheap" when I bought my Miller. It was between that and a $325 Jackson NexGen. The weight and simplicity are what sold me on the Miller, and I'm glad I went that way. Between the Miller and the HF, though, there's no comparison.
 
I have a $200+ speedglas and a $50 HF. I like the HF better, it flashes me less, and I don't have to turn it on. Just have to get a new one, and pay $5 again (warranty) every 6 mo's or so when it gets so I can't see out of it, the headband breaks, or my dog chews it up. My eyes have never felt sandy even after hours of "spot welding"

I see no need for a high $$$ hood unless you weld ALOT, or use a high powered welder-over 250 amps.
 
the HF black w/blue flames helmet on sale right now for $50 has treated me well for about 8 months..... i don't weld everyday, but when i do i never have any signs of welder's eye or whatever they call it....
 
Another satisfied HF user... paid the extra coin ($10?) for the warranty, just in case and haven't needed it after 2 years.

I concur with Jim, I've used both Miller & Speedglas helmets (belonged to others) that seemed to flash more or require more tweaking than the HF...
 
HF with the blue flames - been very satisfied for my occasional use requirements.
Stewart

This is the one I have.
The blue flames make me feel like I can weld really fast...
 
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