Broken bolt - weld on nut

GubNi

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I've done this many times before, but got a very tough one. The ideal is the bolt is siezed and broken off flush. Set a nut on top and then weld it to the broken off bolt and unscrew. The concept works great when the bolt isn't stuck too badly. If it's stuck too badly the then nut will twist off. There is a trick to heating and cooling with a torch. I can't remember the sequence of heating and cooling order. Any pros out ther care to help me out?

BTW - drilling and rethreading is not an option.
 
would help to know what it is you are working on Shawn. Best scenario is to be able to heat the area that the bolt is threaded into, there by expanding it.
 
i dont think like JB weld would work.. its epoxy pretty much.. you'd likely just succeed in shearing the liquid weld joint. However, a center punch, drill, tap, patience, and a good set of eyes and steady hands can remove the bolt.
 
I usually weld a 3/8 or 1/2 washer to it. Get a good bit on the broke off part, to the washer then weld on a 3/8" or 1/2" nut from the outside.

When its hot I hit it with pb blaster and let it cool some..
 
what great timing, I've been struggling with this all weekend!
In my case, counter-sunk flush-topped Allen head bolts, attaching skid plate to a Budbuilt t-case X-member and the trans mount to the x-member.
All very much rusty and stuck,

It seems the biggest problem is surface area (or lack thereof) to get a good clean strong weld onto. As mentioned, if too much force is needed the newly welded area just breaks off, mostly b/c (a) it's unlikel yto be a good clean weld and (b) pretty small.
Not to mention that you have to be really careful around the edges of the tip you're trying to attach to, b/c if it spills over you risk welding the bolt shread into te hhousing!

I like yager's idea of first covering the area w/ a washer, they key would be getting one that has an ID that just barely squeezes over teh broken stud, prob even needs hammering on around it. Then weld them together - that give you lots mroe area for a bigger nut.

The hard part seems to be getting a nice "fill" of the nut, since you're going inside a hole.

Re: heat shock, if you heat the block the stud is in, that should actually make it tighter too - b/c the metal surrounding teh threads expands, making the hole (which te hstud fills) smaller.

The trick should be freezing the stud, so it shrinks relative to teh surround.
A good way to do this (if yo udon't have a cool can of freeizing air), is to use a can of "air" found in offices for claening keyboards etc. Hold it upside down, the propellant is liquid, and freezes the air during expansion as it exits the can.
 
OK here's a good related question.
Realistically, what's the best type/grade of nut to use for this?
Obviously pure steel would be great, but realistically 90% of your average nuts you have laying around are zinc coated. sucks getting all those fumes in your face, plus crappier bond. just plain steel nuts are hard to come by.

Would a Grade 8 be best? Even those have a coating on them? Obviously stainless is out ;-)
 
OK here's a good related question.
Realistically, what's the best type/grade of nut to use for this?
Obviously pure steel would be great, but realistically 90% of your average nuts you have laying around are zinc coated. sucks getting all those fumes in your face, plus crappier bond. just plain steel nuts are hard to come by.
Would a Grade 8 be best? Even those have a coating on them? Obviously stainless is out ;-)
I didn't even think about it till you mentioned it, but stainless would probably be best. Stainless welds about like mild steel, and since it is not coated, it would probably be a better weld. Stainless and mild steel are not typically welded together due to corrosion properties.
 
If you do use the washer/nut to weld it to the broken stud, cool it all the way down before trying to back it out.

I've always had good success with heating things with a torch and cooling it down *completely* with water. Take into consideration what your heating. (don't want to crack it with heat or cool it to fast with water) Take your time with both. Don't rush it.
 
i just did a ford e-450 van with a v-10 .

did both manifold gaskets and studs and nuts . had to weld on 12-15 nuts but i won and the van lost.

all broken studs pulled and all new installed and done.

man do i love this trick. :popcorn:
 
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