Buyer beware thread (Doughboydd2500hd)

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I recently purchased what was supposed to be .125 HREW tubing from Doughboydd2500hd. We agreed on a price and I arranged for the tubing to be picked up by another party on they're way back through Durham.

Long story short the tubing was not what was described in his thread. It was .112/ 12 Ga. I immediately called Matt and he said no problem he would come and get it and refund my money. That was last week, now he will not answer my PM's or phone calls.

All I want is for him to own up and refund my money.

Dave
 
Unless you have something factual to add or can help facilitate an agreeable end to this DO NOT post in this thread.
 
yager said:
Unless you have something factual to add or can help facilitate an agreeable end to this DO NOT post in this thread.
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Umm, that actually DID work for me before. (Not the execution, just the mentioning of it)

Oh, and be sure to PM him a link to this thread. maybe an e-mail, too. That way you know he saw it.
 
Done, good idea!

Dave
 
Im staying neutral in this, but have some concerns/comments:

1: All items bought used should have been inspected before transacting! If you send someone else that dont know what to look for, not Matts fault.

2. Matt didnt/doesnt know what size tubing it was, remember its Matt. A third party posted in his for sale thread giving the specs, not Matt.

3. I would really like to hear how and/or why you cant bend that tube. Unless your monkey humping it with a poop pipe discombobulator, then yes it will "destroy the tube" & once again, not Matts fault.


Edit: This is the identical tubing that Daryl used to build the SuperMan Sami with. So it will bend and is strong enough for a tube buggy.
 
Studnuts wins this thread

You cant purchase something that you are able to see in person ahead of time, then complain that you are the one that messed up and demand that the seller bend over backwards to accomodate you.
 
Maybe you don't read so well? I didn't see the tubing in person it was picked up by someone else. I trusted that this guy (the seller) knew what he was talking about.

Studnuts made some good points, but the point you are missing is It was described as something it's not, period.

My whole problem with this is Matt told me he would refund my money and now he's hiding from me, showing his true colors that he can not be trusted.
 
Edit: This is the identical tubing that Daryl used to build the SuperMan Sami with. So it will bend and is strong enough for a tube buggy.


Did Matt get his tubing from the same source? The other thing is it is on my trailer and could use it for other things instead of holding the tube. He was called and offered to bring it back for some gas money and a refund No return call. IF he did not really know the specs he should return phone calls and or pm's but will not-- sounds like a bad seller not knowing what he was selling got his money and ran. Guess we will have to run to Duram on Sat and camp out on the lawn. If any questions give me a call #919-210-3134
 
Listen up LOUD and CLEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK I just got in from work and its 1:22am and i saw this BS thread. Listen Dave i was very nice to you and told you that I would try to find a way to come get the tube if i had the means and i have no problem giving you your money back except for a few problems. TIME and Trailor and o yeah my gas money. This is why I dont sell any F_ _ _ing thing on here usually. I have sold misc items in the past on here and had 0 complaints. I even took things to people when i had the means to. There are a few reasons why I am a little bit pissed off here now. All my closest friends know me and know i never try to treat or do wrong to anyone. EVER!!!! I don't see why i have to find a way to rent a trailor use my own gas money and take a day off of work to drive god knows where in NC to come pick up this tube. You see my point. It will cost me more than you paid me to do all this.

LONG STORY SHORT!!!

You bring me the tube back and I got your money in a neat little envolope marked tube money. Or you keep it and use it and make something badass that everyone will brag about and give you mad props about. Ask anyone on this board!!!!!! ** I dont claim to know the most about all this 4x4 technical stuff but i would have to say i love this sport a lot more than some people who actually get the chance to wheel and have fun.

So Choose bring it back or keep it?????????? PERIOD!!!

PS. I labeled it dave's tube refund money. let me know when you can drop off the tube and i will cut someone else an even better deal on it. Just like in retail mark it down some and when its returned mark it down somemore and sell it "as is" NO REFUNDS OR RETURNS!!Thank You!!! Have a good night everyone.
 
I am going to chime in here because I'm a Moderator in the For Sale section.

Tacoma747 said:
HREW does not always measure perfectly like DOM does.
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If it is the case that this tube actually is sized in the industry as what Doughboy's thread described, but measures differently because that's how things work in the tubing world, then ignore the rest of this post. But if it is legitimately a different wall tubing that was descibed, then see below.

People on this board get others to pick up parts for them all the time. I have done it for other people, and others have done it for me. And what if you buy a part that is shipped to you? You can't always see the part ahead of time, so people on this board rely on others to be straightforward about what they are selling. If a statement it made, like "it is XX-wall tubing", then it is assumed to be fact, not a guess like "I *think* it is XX-wall". If I were to buy tires described as "they have 11/32 tread left" and then I got them and it was only 7/32, would I be mad? Yes. If I mail ordered a part (can't see it in person) and it was not as the seller described, would I be mad? Yes.

StudNuts said:
This is the identical tubing that Daryl used to build the SuperMan Sami with. So it will bend and is strong enough for a tube buggy.
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Doesn't matter - the buyer paid for one thing that was descibed to him, and got something different.

DOUGHBOYDD2500HD said:
OK I just got in from work and its 1:22am and i saw this BS thread.
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It is not BS - he has a legitimate complaint about a part that was not as described.

DOUGHBOYDD2500HD said:
i was very nice to you and told you that I would try to find a way to come get the tube if i had the means and i have no problem giving you your money back except for a few problems. TIME and Trailor and o yeah my gas money.
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Don't say you are going to do something, then come up with reasons why you can't. Don't mention it in the first place if you're not going to do it.

DOUGHBOYDD2500HD said:
This is why I dont sell any F_ _ _ing thing on here usually.
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Realize that when you sell something, you need to describe it accurately. Also realize that you need to respond to the buyer with answers, not leave things hanging. If you aren't prepared to do this, then don't post it for sale.

DOUGHBOYDD2500HD said:
i never try to treat or do wrong to anyone. EVER!!!!
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You are right Matt. I've met you in person and you are a VERY nice guy. I know you did not do this intentionally, but realize when you are selling something that people expect to get what your ad says is for sale.

DOUGHBOYDD2500HD said:
I don't see why i have to find a way to rent a trailor use my own gas money and take a day off of work to drive god knows where in NC to come pick up this tube. You see my point. It will cost me more than you paid me to do all this.
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You are seeing this from your perspective. Think about it from the buyer's perspective - he is saying the exact thing you are - why should he spend *his* time and money to bring you back the tube when it was the description in your ad that caused this situation?
 
If you kept the receipt from the steel place you originally bought it from showing that it's 11ga., this could end all this crap.

Has the tube rusted to where you can't read the print on it with the spec?

Annd, how do you know the tool you used is accurate? It could be on the thinner side of spec, and if your caliper reads off a little...

Just playing devil's advocate.
 
When you go to Wallmart, buy something , take it out of the box and discover its broken or not what you wanted, they don't drive over to your house to pick it up and refund your money.
 
A couple of things:

1. What kind of mileage difference are we talking about here? If Dave returns the "not-as-described" sale item to seller, he should get a fuel refund too like BIGWOODY was saying.

2. I also asked what kind of mileage, because that could be an estimate of how much $$$ doughboy should be willing to refund Dave, even for keeping the tube. If the gas cost is higher than the tube cost that won't work, but I believe the ball is in doughboy's court for saying he would refund and and come get the tube.

If doughboy agrees to come up with some refund for Dave keeping the not-as-described parts, then maybe Dave can still make do with what he's got and put that shit to work. After all, in his last reply doughboy already said he'd sell it off to the next dude for less.

3. What tube are we talking about in the first place? I'm an enineer and I have a Machinist's handbook open as we speak. A little more insight into what spec I'm supposed to see would help so I could offer up whether or not it was in spec or mis-sated etc.

4. Just kiddin', I know I have a tendency to rant

Hope this helps, and I hope this gets figured out. BTW Dave, if you wanted to make me some sliders to test out for ya I'd be willing...call it R & D ;)
 
I've had several dealings with Matt in the past few years, and he certainly does not seem like the type who would do something like this intentionally. I really don't think he was ignoring you, it sometimes takes him weeks to return my calls as well.
 
BIGWOODY said:
When you go to Wallmart, buy something , take it out of the box and discover its broken or not what you wanted, they don't drive over to your house to pick it up and refund your money.
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CrashKnott said:
A couple of things:
1. What kind of mileage difference are we talking about here? If Dave returns the "not-as-described" sale item to seller, he should get a fuel refund too like BIGWOODY was saying.
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I dont think thats wat he is saying at all....
Or maybe I am reading that wrong.

Of course I dont have a dog in this fight, I am just here for the drama. All MY CHildren does not come on TV until 2....


and for reference: http://www.nc4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21427

Might shed a little light on things...
 
SkyHiK5 said:
I dont think thats wat he is saying at all....
Or maybe I am reading that wrong.
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no that wasn't what I meant. The best way I know describe what I meant is this. I worked for an independent car dealer when I was in college, my job was to fly to DC and pick up cars that were bought sight unseen from a dealer there. I was sent because I knew how to look at a car and see if it was as described. Now if I brought one back that wasn't as described guess who had to pay to get it shipped back? The guy I worked for did. Ever bought something brand new from the store and it didn't work or was missing parts? They don't drive to your house to process your return and refund your cash, you have to go to them. Same story here, if it won't work or isn't as described then drive it back and get your cash.
 
OK YOU KNOW WHAT??? HERE IS THE DEAL!!!!!!

Dave and Hutch here is the deal. you 2 work out a time with me when you all can get the tube back to me and when you get here hutch I will go with you to fill your Dodge truck up with some diesel fuel and give you the letter i marked " Daves return tube money" on it and we will be all SQUARE and done with this matter. PERIOD!!!! I will check my schedule and ask my manager to see if i can have a long lunch or something if i have to. OK? I will work with you guys on this and settle it not because I am worried about my reputation on nc4x4 but because I am a nice guy and if you truely know me you would know that i never mean to piss people off or make people upset or add any inconvience in this already F_ _ _ed up world we all live in. LOL

THANK YOU EVERYONE!!

PS. Anyone else interested in this tube, whatever the size tube it is the price just went down to $250.
 
OK I am *very* new to dealing with steel and guage thickness, etc.
However according to this chart
http://www.coasteltools.com/tech_steel_gauge_chart.htm

the numbers being mentioned in either this or the sale post don't line up. Can somebody please clarify this for me?
In the sale post, Ridefast says it was 11 gauge, which should be .1196 +/-.0008. Note that even within the stretch of tolerance that is not .125 (1/8"), so I'm not sure where that comes from.
I get the impression Matt didn't really now what it was, was going off info provided by others. Personally I think that sets him up to (untintentionally) piss somebody off if it turns out to be osmething else. But that's just my opinion.
I also agree that shipping (that's what we're really talking about here) is the buyer's responsbility. When you order something via the internet, you pay for it. If teh item is incorrect/broken, a good vendor will refund you the original shipping cost, a poor one won't, although this is more a matter of good ethics and by any means not required as a social norm. *very rarely* will they cover the cost of return shipping, which is the hot issue here.

Like said, if you buy something, and take it elsewhere, it's you responsibility to cover
 
Ah ha!

So here's the thing, 1 7/8" OD pipe is not 1 7/8" pipe. It's called 1 1/2" pipe, but the nominal OD is 1.900" (not far from his estimated 1.875). All is fine so far, no worries.

However, Schedule 30 (and that's not a typo, not 40, but 30) 1 1/2" pipe (1.900" OD) has a nominal wall thickness of .125". The 0.013" is out of tolerance to call this stuff what it is being called. So what the hell sh*t-pipe is being tossed around here

ridefast posted on 03-03-2007, at 09:00 AM

11 gauge/.125
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Here's the problem, this short post is incorrect and very misleading. 11 ga. is approximately 0.112", but is not 0.125".
Dimensions on this scale need to be taken with a deburred end of pipe and calipers. It could be an easy mix-up to just throw the calipers in a freshly chop-sawed piece, or give it a good eye-ball jobber with the measuring tape.

I still don't know what that pipe is that Dave's got, but I feel confident it could still be used fine in the bender (assuming you have a die made for 1.900" pipe). $0.84 is not a bad deal either (call it $1.2 post trailer haul).

I'm sure I've already said too much, but now we're all the more informed. Good luck
 
????? for buyer/seller ??????????

POSSIBLE BUYER

My cousin (liveS in Yadkin County) is interested in the tube. IS it currently located in Davie County? IF SO he wants to come check it out and see what it's all about and if he can use it. IF SO he would like to work out a price with DoughBoy for the lot...

Man this is getting confusing.. BUT, it would save a ton of gas hauling it back down to Raleigh. He can bring his trailer out, check it out, and if it's useable to him he will buy it.

So if this interests either parties involved please PM me with your numbers, etc.
 
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