Changes Coming At Uwharrie?

I positively can not understand all the fuss over the trails being "engineered" so they can be easily traversed by all vehicles. This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever! If you have a stock vehicle, ride the easy ones and let the hard-core group run the difficult ones. If you are hard-core, stay off the easy trails and don't complain because they are easy. My old rig is middle-of-the-road, but it will easily handle anything at Uwharrie, including most times when it is wet. However, when I go to Harlan, Callalantee, or other such places I ride what I feel comfortable with. I don't do Mason Jar and Lions Den as I feel they are out of my league, but I also don't complain about them being there. The folks who have busted their butts, and spent their hard-earned money building the big rigs have to have a place too. The whole problem in a nutshell seems to be the fact that too many people think if they don't do something then nobody else should have a right to do it either. That's just plain wrong! Off the box............
 
if a stock tj on 31's can do every trail at uwharrie why the hell are they making it easiesr....


they are spending all this money to lose money...sounds like a plan to me.
 
Something that really freaked me out is when a guy I recently bought a bunch of stuff from showed me pictures he took of brand new Early Bronco's thrashing through creeks and mudholes at URE. Even a pic of one flipped on it's top. He said there used to be some insane parties out there back in the 60's. And my first wheeling trip there was like in 1995. Boy did I miss out. At least I got to go through some of those mud holes and creek crossings that no longer exist.
After doing my reading, I see that URE Park has been a designated Park since 1931 with offroading / horseback accessabilities from the get-go. I'd guess though not too many people had a 4wd back then? But it was the gold mining going on around it that developed all the first trails. Mostly by horseback I'd guess. But it is sure ironic that there has been no issues of having to conform to accessibility issues until recently? What, 80 years?
Being a Civil designer, I see it every single day of the red tape taking over every square foot of dirt in NC. Even though this is the US government's land, I'm sure it was NC-DENR / DWQ that stepped in demanding the bridges. NC has so much government it's sick. And it gets noticably worse every year. Besides all the materials for these bridges, do ya'll have any idea of how much money was spent for engineering for all of this? We're talking weeks of work at no less than $135 per hour (more likely around $150) per engineer and I'm sure it took several. I'm guessing this was something in the ball park of $250,000 of our money. But the accessibility concerns is purely US government issues. I'm so sick of it. My voting ballot this year is going to be insane. If they are currently serving, I want em out!
 
Granny said:
I positively can not understand all the fuss over the trails being "engineered" so they can be easily traversed by all vehicles. This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever! If you have a stock vehicle, ride the easy ones and let the hard-core group run the difficult ones. If you are hard-core, stay off the easy trails and don't complain because they are easy. My old rig is middle-of-the-road, but it will easily handle anything at Uwharrie, including most times when it is wet. However, when I go to Harlan, Callalantee, or other such places I ride what I feel comfortable with. I don't do Mason Jar and Lions Den as I feel they are out of my league, but I also don't complain about them being there. The folks who have busted their butts, and spent their hard-earned money building the big rigs have to have a place too. The whole problem in a nutshell seems to be the fact that too many people think if they don't do something then nobody else should have a right to do it either. That's just plain wrong! Off the box............
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Very well said... Im in the same boat.
 
6BangBronk said:
Besides all the materials for these bridges, do ya'll have any idea of how much money was spent for engineering for all of this? I'm guessing this was something in the ball park of $250,000 of our money.
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According to Ranger Walker, about $120k for each bridge.
 
EROSION CONTROL???

It seem IDIOTAC that erosion controls were not in place before
construction started! This is the battle we fight EVERYWHERE.
WHY we lost Telleco! F.S. is so concerned with water bars, creek
or stream crossing, sediment, ect!! Surprised they havent enacted DUST control! Dont tell them I said that!! AS for the 1
acre rule; I work in construction/grading. Just asked my Forman why he was putting up silt fence on a small lot. Reply was it was in the Permit [which u have to have], due to a rear drainage ditch. That may be a local requirement, or up to the Inspector.:poop:
 
Granny said:
I positively can not understand all the fuss over the trails being "engineered" so they can be easily traversed by all vehicles. This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever! If you have a stock vehicle, ride the easy ones and let the hard-core group run the difficult ones. If you are hard-core, stay off the easy trails and don't complain because they are easy. My old rig is middle-of-the-road, but it will easily handle anything at Uwharrie, including most times when it is wet. However, when I go to Harlan, Callalantee, or other such places I ride what I feel comfortable with. I don't do Mason Jar and Lions Den as I feel they are out of my league, but I also don't complain about them being there. The folks who have busted their butts, and spent their hard-earned money building the big rigs have to have a place too. The whole problem in a nutshell seems to be the fact that too many people think if they don't do something then nobody else should have a right to do it either. That's just plain wrong! Off the box............
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I agree with Don. ^^^
Well said.
 
Granny said:
I positively can not understand all the fuss over the trails being "engineered" so they can be easily traversed by all vehicles. This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever! If you have a stock vehicle, ride the easy ones and let the hard-core group run the difficult ones. If you are hard-core, stay off the easy trails and don't complain because they are easy. My old rig is middle-of-the-road, but it will easily handle anything at Uwharrie, including most times when it is wet. However, when I go to Harlan, Callalantee, or other such places I ride what I feel comfortable with. I don't do Mason Jar and Lions Den as I feel they are out of my league, but I also don't complain about them being there. The folks who have busted their butts, and spent their hard-earned money building the big rigs have to have a place too. The whole problem in a nutshell seems to be the fact that too many people think if they don't do something then nobody else should have a right to do it either. That's just plain wrong! Off the box............
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6BangBronk said:
Something that really freaked me out is when a guy I recently bought a bunch of stuff from showed me pictures he took of brand new Early Bronco's thrashing through creeks and mudholes at URE. Even a pic of one flipped on it's top. He said there used to be some insane parties out there back in the 60's. And my first wheeling trip there was like in 1995. Boy did I miss out. At least I got to go through some of those mud holes and creek crossings that no longer exist.
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I can't be certain that it's the same place, but I would guess the areas you are referring to were the bottom lands near the Uwharrie River on down past the Daniel parking lot (FS Rd 555). This property did NOT belong to the FS. It was private property and the owner was sorely PO'ed over the damage and trash problem. I never played there, but I can remember some hellish mudholes being there.
 
Devil's advocate here... this may not bring anything constructive to this thread but I feel getting upset about these changes seems silly. Big business and politics have been running this country long enough for everyone to see what "democracy" has to offer. In most instances (this one included) those in charge make uneducated decisions. If we can't affect those in office who are higher up that handle these decisions i.e. voting or pocket lining, than we might as well let it take it's course and deal with the consequences. I have been enjoying Uwharrie and many other national forests over the years, I don't intend to sound ignorant or like I feel we should give up the fight but I am being realistic. When we live in a society where companies can buy pollution credits but we can't smoke in public, it's pretty obvious what brings about change.
 
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