Clarification on NC towing statute

Ron

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just read this on another forum....relevant to a lot of past conversations about trailer weight/CGVWR/and haul vs. tow definitions.

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Thanks Mark! Here I is........

In addition to Robin Parker and myself, representatives from the North Carolina Chamber (of Commerce) and the Retail Merchants Association were there helping to represent the boaters of North Carolina (along with the folks who support NC finally getting into the 21st centruy by allowing 53' semitrailers). This was a good thing because neither Robin nor I had a clue as to how this whole process worked.......

Several changes to S1695 have made that are not yet on the website. I have a copy, but of interest to this group are the following changes:

- The requirement for a permit to tow boats up to 120" wide has been removed again, but a requirement has been added that amber lights must be displayed on the widest part of the boat at night (I was told that this change was proposed by the Senate committee before it was added to House Bill 2167) . We would still be able to tow up to 120" wide any day and at night, and over 120" 7 days per week during daylight hours only and with a permit.

- The drivers license change to allow a combination of vehicles up to 26000 lbs to be operated with only a Class C license has been amended to cover any tow vehicle/trailer combo up to 26K (not just boat trailers) and a restriction was added to exclude drivers under 18 to this change.

- Some of the agricultural-related changes were amended to make them more acceptable to those who had issues with possible damage to roads and bridges.

Sen. Jenkins (the primary sponsor of S1695) got up and addressed the committee, and he had in fact done his homework. He specifically mentioned the incident in Brunswick County last fall in which the SKA fisherman was fined over $2000. He also cited the safety statistics that would support that trailer boaters will not likely present a safety hazard if this bill is passed. Most notably, he stated that "some common sense needs to be applied here". Obviously he also spoke about the agriculture-related issues and without going into the minutia he adequately justified those proposed changes (in my mind anyway).

The committee chairman (Sen. Clodfelter of Mecklenburg Co.) asked several members of the Highway Patrol who were present if NCSHP had any major concerns. Their statement was that they had no major concerns that would warrant committee disapproval and that they would continue to address the few concerns they still had with the committee members and sponsors.

Following that, a vote was taken and the committee members present voted unanimously to recommend S1695 as favorable. I do not know where it goes from there...hopefully on to the Senate floor.

I was able to speak directly to Sen. Neal Hunt prior to the meeting, and I thanked him for the support that he has provided on this issue - and commended him for his email responses to our concerns.
 
I've been seeing/reading in the paper about the "53 footer" and how they are going to make shipping better/less trucks/wrecks everywhere. I don't know wtf these clowns are talking about, 53's have been the norm in the trucking world for over 15 years.
 
This bill has been pushed in reponse to an off shore angler who won a bill fish tourny and 10k, only to lose it plus more for the fine he got for pulling his boat down the road when he left. Never mind that he was in an 08 F450 and had pulled it up from Florida
 
Dredged this back up for an update....this on the WRAL website tonight...

HB2167 deals with the boat width issue. Passed by the Senate unanimously. The House passed it 108-5. Gov. Easley vetoed it today.
text of the H2167

HB1695 is what applies to the weight limit reference in the original post.
http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascrip....pl?Session=2007&BillID=S1695&submitButton=Go

Presented to Gov on 7.17 - same as H2167. Guess he had 30 days to let it go or veto it...hence why he vetoed 2167 dated today (8.17). No word yet on 1695. Fingers crossed! Anybody seen anything on it??
 
sweet, now I don't have to worry about the class A I never got
 
sweet, now I don't have to worry about the class A I never got
Don't think anything changed or will be changing in the law on 10K pound trailer, if that is what you are getting at.
If you found something in there on that please point it out....
 
Old statute
(3) Class C. – A Class C license authorizes the holder to drive any of the following:
a. A Class C motor vehicle that is not a commercial motor vehicle.
b. When operated by a volunteer member of a fire department, a rescue squad, or an emergency medical service (EMS) in the performance of duty, a Class A or Class B fire‑fighting, rescue, or EMS motor vehicle or a combination of these vehicles.
New statute
"(3) Class C. – A Class C license authorizes the holder to drive any of the following:
a. A Class C motor vehicle that is not a commercial motor vehicle.
b. When operated by a volunteer member of a fire department, a rescue squad, or an emergency medical service (EMS) in the performance of duty, a Class A or Class B fire‑fighting, rescue, or EMS motor vehicle or a combination of these vehicles.
c. A combination of noncommercial motor vehicles that have a GVWR of more than 10,000 pounds but less than 26,001 pounds. This sub‑subdivision does not apply to a Class C license holder less than 18 years of age."


It sounds somewhat ambiguous, however I am unaware of any "combination" of vehicles that doesn't include a trailer.
 
Old statute
(3) Class C. – A Class C license authorizes the holder to drive any of the following:
a. A Class C motor vehicle that is not a commercial motor vehicle.
b. When operated by a volunteer member of a fire department, a rescue squad, or an emergency medical service (EMS) in the performance of duty, a Class A or Class B fire‑fighting, rescue, or EMS motor vehicle or a combination of these vehicles.
New statute
"(3) Class C. – A Class C license authorizes the holder to drive any of the following:
a. A Class C motor vehicle that is not a commercial motor vehicle.
b. When operated by a volunteer member of a fire department, a rescue squad, or an emergency medical service (EMS) in the performance of duty, a Class A or Class B fire‑fighting, rescue, or EMS motor vehicle or a combination of these vehicles.
c. A combination of noncommercial motor vehicles that have a GVWR of more than 10,000 pounds but less than 26,001 pounds. This sub‑subdivision does not apply to a Class C license holder less than 18 years of age."
It sounds somewhat ambiguous, however I am unaware of any "combination" of vehicles that doesn't include a trailer.

Think you may want to look into it more. It has always been that way. Thats what lets you tow a trailer with a truck , say the truck it 16K and trailer is 10K stuff like that. Sounds like if under 18 you need to stay under 10k and that is what they are changing.
 
Think you may want to look into it more. It has always been that way. Thats what lets you tow a trailer with a truck , say the truck it 16K and trailer is 10K stuff like that. Sounds like if under 18 you need to stay under 10k and that is what they are changing.

I don't think so. A regular class C license already lets you drive a 26k GVW straight truck with a 10k trailer in tow. And you can be 16 or 17 years old. The new law says you can be up to 26k combined GVWR, or an 11k pickup with a 15k trailer.

The trick will be whether or not they change the text on the license to reflect the new law. Otherwise, it's only good until you hit the state line.

It's also somewhat tricky that the law specifically refers to GVWR as being the deciding factor, not actual curb weight or titled weight. The nameplate on most big goosenecks is still only 9990#.
 
We will need to see if they pull the part about the 10k trailer.
I always thought that was a different law.
We will see....
 
Looks like they got the override done on 2167 for the width changes.

I figured out what sucks about 1695, for me at least. I already have a Class B CDL with an exemption for the medical card requirement (for driving our Scout troop bus (non-commercial)).

I was looking forward to being able to exceed 10k on the trailer (my M715 and camper on my big trailer will be just a hair over 10k).

Where I am apparently screwed is I am still limited to 10k trailer, unless I upgrade to a CDL-A, get a medical card (more $$$) and do the logbook, etc and drive it as a commercial vehicle. Or, the only other alternative, I tell tell the Scouts to forget me as a driver (I am one of only 2 with the CDL/P licensed drivers for the bus), so then I could go over 10k trailer by going back to a regular class C license (but, darnit, I just renewed by CDL for $144), and they need me as a driver.

It sucks when the government screws with your PERSONAL life.
 
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