Considering Military Service through an OCS program, looking for advise, information and experience.

Don’t know if it’s been said, but in the army officers don’t always get to choose their branch. I’m an instructor on Ft Jackson at the moment. I teach the Basic Officer Leadership Course (BOLC). I get a ton of officers coming through that didn’t choose the branch they wanted. Some wanted infantry or some form of combat arms and they ended up in finance. It has to do with your performance and the needs of the army. Recruiters are used car salesmen but they don’t decide what branch you get usually. I’m not a fan of them. Make sure you get what you want from him or her. They have quotas to meet. They’ll stick you wherever as long as they “make mission”. Get everything in a contract you want down to the detail. Example: I want x branch, and I want to be stationed at x duty station, with x school enroute, and so on. If you don’t get it in writing it likely won’t happen. As others have said, do something that’ll make you money on the outside. Combat arms is fun , but if you want to qualify for anything other than a cop or security guard find another job. Check out usajobs. Look at all of the GS positions that are posted. Most are in the medical field, HR, aviation, contracting, or logistics. Choose wisely.
I liked your post, not because I have any military experience (I don’t) but because its a no bullshit response from someone knowledgeable in the specific field that provides specific input to the OP. If I was planning to enlist as the OP is (I’m not as I’m way too old and way too out of shape) this would be very valuable information to me.
 
Not that every branch doesn't have its own issues, contradictories and short comings. But in passing during my search about the Navy I came across the "Fat Lenard Scandal" I'm not exactly enthused about how it was handled top officials get pushed into retirement early, lower level Officers and Enlisted members got martyred while gaged.

More recently LCS-8 USS Montgomery top CO's "fired"(re-assigned) over "loss of confidence in ability to lead" (handling of sexual harassment investigation)

As you said, they signed their name and swore an oath. What is it worth if you have people acting like this? Are the core values just lip service while no one ranking you is watching?
I'm not one for titles or name dropping who I know, But I don't have a lot of patience for mindless bullshit and unnecessary drama.
Full disclosure - have nor served personally. I learned early on it wasn't for me, but I have many friends and coworkers that are vets in various stages.
I'm going to be completely frank. Suprised only @jeepinmatt has picked up on it.
If thsi kind of shit bothers you, then you really don't need to be considering an Officer career in the military.

That bit about Montomery etc is not really uncommon. Shit like that happens in all branches, and always will. People are always getting pushed into retirement for questionable reasons. Its only a question of how public it is. And with the increasing level of PC-ness and wokeness going on, its not going be less any time soon. Avoiding Navy over any other branch of service b/c of that is, frankly, asinine and you're eyes will be opened too late.
The DoD is literally built on mindless bullshit and unnecessary drama. Its part of the governemnt for Christ's sake. Ask anybody who has had service time about mindless BS and you will hear plenty of stories.

If you were enlisted and doing, er, grunt work, its easy to just shake your head and say "well not my problem." But as a guy that already has a college degree, as has been mentioned you'd be a fool to just enlist.. that ship has sailed. As an officer, especially if you really want to be a career guy, you're going to be in the thick of a lot of bad decisions and frustrating lack of intertia and having to shoose when to fight the current. And there's gonna be times when you're the guy they are bitching about making bad decisions that affect lots of people.
you really need to think about how you feel about that.

Sounds like student loan payments are a big driving factor. That is no reason to join the military. Recipe for regret.
Agree w/ this 10x. Yeah there are good financial incentives, but it should really be a small portion of why to do it. There are lots of ways to get loans paid for. There are programs allowing deferrment of loans for taking certain service sector jobs. Some even come with forgiveness. Or, want to support DoD but not active duty? Go to grad school on a SMART fellowship, get fre tuition AND and stipend AND a guaranteed DoD Civilian job when finished.
Hell... taken night classes and learn a technical field, get a higher paying job and just pay down the loans. Engineers and many technical fields are in such short supply, starting salaries are going through the roof.
Or even find yourself a good sugar mama first wife. You could have your debts paid off, deal with the same leve lof emotional abuse, and be divorced and out in a shorter time that that first contract :D

Unless we're talking multiple hundreds of thousands in debt - honestly, no reason to sweat it. I mean, yeah, the debt SUCKS, but its *very normal* these days to have student loan debt. Its not the end of the world, and IMO not a good primary reason to jump into military service.

Looking back, what I see in your questions is just that you're fishing out "a career of some sort". I'm not seeing a passion for service. Hell never in all this have you said, "I want to do something to serve my country and others" or "I'm looking to explore being a leader" or the typical reasons people sign up.

Maybe I'm just totally misreading you - just wanted to throw in my 2 pesos.
 
Don’t know if it’s been said, but in the army officers don’t always get to choose their branch. I’m an instructor on Ft Jackson at the moment. I teach the Basic Officer Leadership Course (BOLC). I get a ton of officers coming through that didn’t choose the branch they wanted. Some wanted infantry or some form of combat arms and they ended up in finance. It has to do with your performance and the needs of the army. Recruiters are used car salesmen but they don’t decide what branch you get usually. I’m not a fan of them. Make sure you get what you want from him or her. They have quotas to meet. They’ll stick you wherever as long as they “make mission”. Get everything in a contract you want down to the detail. Example: I want x branch, and I want to be stationed at x duty station, with x school enroute, and so on. If you don’t get it in writing it likely won’t happen. As others have said, do something that’ll make you money on the outside. Combat arms is fun , but if you want to qualify for anything other than a cop or security guard find another job. Check out usajobs. Look at all of the GS positions that are posted. Most are in the medical field, HR, aviation, contracting, or logistics. Choose wisely.

Thank you for your advise, it lines up with what the service members I've talked to in person have said.
 
The DoD is literally built on mindless bullshit and unnecessary drama. Its part of the governemnt for Christ's sake. Ask anybody who has had service time about mindless BS and you will hear plenty of stories

Nailed it. I've got 6 years of federal employment in and it's 90% bullshit. I feel like we get paid to stay and deal with their idiocracy and not what we actually do.

The biggest difference between DoD civilians and someone in a branch of service is, I can quit whenever I want. Aside from that, I have to do what they say, abide by military rules/regulations, and work for our CO and XO. There's plenty of stupidity, needless spending, waiting, more waiting, and then hurrying up so we can wait.

If you're a go-getter, working for the government isn't really a good place for you to go. They'll break your spirit sooner or later.
 
Looking back, what I see in your questions is just that you're fishing out "a career of some sort". I'm not seeing a passion for service. Hell never in all this have you said, "I want to do something to serve my country and others" or "I'm looking to explore being a leader" or the typical reasons people sign up.

Maybe I'm just totally misreading you - just wanted to throw in my 2 pesos.

I don't think my reasons for service need to be grandiose, superfluous, or as pretty and polished as the feelings of pride for country and selflessness thought to be instilled in all who swear an oath of some form for public service to our beautiful country.

I value honesty and transparency over everything else. I think people would be much better off wearing their most vulnerable and intimate intentions on their sleeves. As my closest friends say I do.

I'm looking for a job. You're not mistaken, I am fishing in the most literal sense for information. I'm looking to get a picture of an organization(s) I know little to nothing about so I can determine weather or not It's something I could see myself doing well in for the foreseeable future.

Everyone has their reasons for joining, but no one is doing it for free. The two service members I've spoken too thus far in person, a 20 year veteran of the Navy and a 28 1/2 year career Marine currently on reserve status said it best : "It's a Job"
 
So this is my piece.

#1. NO

I would love to leave it like that but i know that's not fair. now my experience like many others will differ from everyone else's, I speak for the Aircraft Maintenace side of the house in the USAF

I was enlisted did 10 years deployed 3 times. I was a crew chief on the KC10 I was an FCC (flying crew chief) for 2 of those years with a total off station time of right at 500 days
There are some good leaders, and I made a few good friends who I talk to to this day on a daily basis. it's a steady paycheck with time off pretty much guaranteed "mission first of course".


The bad
My main issue with it is its broken,
- the politics
- toxic leadership
- the stone age "we always done it like this attitude there is not a better way laziness mentality"
- the meaningless wasting of time and resources
- the wokeness
- training
- not taking care of people
- the promotion system
- the processes of daily activities
- for every 1 good leader you have 3 bad ones

the list can go on and honestly, I could write a book about this shit.
 
Oh, yea and if you're really good at your job you'll get burnt out as they (shitty leaders) like to use and abuse those guys. I had a MSgt tell me once "I rather you do it so i know it's done right rather than worry if someone else is going to screw it up." At first im like "hell ya im a boss" but after a while realized that i just had shitty leaders that where too lazy to train someone that gets the same paycheck as i do. I speak from experience on that notice above that I was only an FCC for 2 of those years I got off the program because i was constantly flying back-to-back. Dont be the "go to guy or SME (subject matter expert).

I used to tell my NCOIC every morning after roll call who was a Tsgt "do you have any lipstick?" Because I like to look pretty before I get fucked" we would always laugh at eachother and go kick ass.
 
"I rather you do it so i know it's done right rather than worry if someone else is going to screw it up."
I had that same problem in the Navy. We called it the “curse of competence”.
 
I had that same problem in the Navy. We called it the “curse of competence”.
This isn't really unique to DoD. Its pretty much any job. The only difference is it easier to abuse bc people can't quit and have no choice but to do what they are told by that CO.
 
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So I have held my tongue on this one but will make a couple observations/ thoughts.

Officer=politics. From day one your playing the political game except you’re the most junior township nominated (not even elected) official in the organization. Gets worse the higher you get despite the fact you have a bit more pull; you just have higher people to please.

The balance between officer and enlisted is not the way it should be. Officers are indoctrinated to be more influential than they should be at a junior level without taking knowledge from their ncos who have the experience. It’s a bad culture.

Politics: yes you have to play them. I’ll leave that one alone.
- not sure. I’m vastly outspoken and can’t really expound on it cause the man will demote me.

Sorry for a bunch of ramble but I would REALLY look into the behind the scenes life before you make that right hand movement especially given the current political climate.
 
So I have held my tongue on this one but will make a couple observations/ thoughts.

Officer=politics. From day one your playing the political game except you’re the most junior township nominated (not even elected) official in the organization. Gets worse the higher you get despite the fact you have a bit more pull; you just have higher people to please.

The balance between officer and enlisted is not the way it should be. Officers are indoctrinated to be more influential than they should be at a junior level without taking knowledge from their ncos who have the experience. It’s a bad culture.

Politics: yes you have to play them. I’ll leave that one alone.
- not sure. I’m vastly outspoken and can’t really expound on it cause the man will demote me.

Sorry for a bunch of ramble but I would REALLY look into the behind the scenes life before you make that right hand movement especially given the current political climate.
Politics are huge on the commissioned side. Better be a yes man if you plan on making it a career. Most of the time if the commander likes you, the men don’t. If the men like you, the commander hates you and you won’t go far. Weird how that works.
 
Thank you to all who dropped a line in this thread sharing your views and candid insights about military service. I appreciate your time and willingness to share parts of your background and personal details surrounding the topic.

I'm still undecided but I'll make an effort to talk to an OSO at a recruiting office next week to dig into the finer details. I'd do it this week but Monday nights "light rain and moderate winds" caused a large tree to come down on a friends property out in Landis and Landis city services said it wasn't their problem after they re-strung the power lines back up over it; So I'll be organizing a clean up crew with a few friends to tackle it this week and ID the other trees that need to come down; to hopefully help save them some money for the other repairs needed from the damage.

Before I stop by the office I'll pick up a salt lick from Tractor Supply Co. to bring with me. If anyone in that office has a sense of humor I might consider it a while longer.

To those who served, I thank you, My parents thank you, My sisters thank you, My friends thank you, and your country thanks you. We live in a beautiful world with ugly people, your decisions and sacrifices keep it turning with the potential for a better tomorrow.
 
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