Constitutional Carry in NC

Though I do like the sounds of that, the article is a bit ridiculous saying that NC has "restrictive" gun laws. Of all the states I've carried a pistol in, NC is one of the most lax on open and concealed carry, as well as self defense. I do think it's dumb that concealed handgun permit only applies to handguns though. Hopefully they will change some of the dumbass NFA laws.
 
Sweet. I've been looking at getting my concealed carry. Looks like if I wait a little while, they'll do it for me and I won't have to worry about it! There have been a few times when it would have been nice to have a pistol on my hip.
 
I'm one of the few men in my circle of buddys that does not own a gun, mainly because I have three kids ages 3-6 and one hot tempered teenager in the house. I've been contemplating a conceiled carry for a while, but putting it off until at least the youngest can differentiate between a toy gun and a real gun. I've heard all the arguments about "just lock it up and put it where he can't reach it", and while that's all fine and good - if the idea of owning a gun is for protection from criminals, I think I'd want to be able to access it QUICKLY.

I was raised in the suburbs of Detroit and had to work in a VERY rough part of Detroit at one point. One Saturday, I went in alone to do some work and had to park my car in a fenced in side lot of our building because the front garage door wasn't working. As I was locking the inner office door, I heard glass breaking outside. Much to my dismay, I looked out the window of the building to see 5 rather large guys breaking in to my car. Being that it was dusk, I couldn't see well enough to tell if they were armed or not, but since I was not armed, I called the police only to be informed that I should come to the station to file a report (even though the guys breaking in to my car were STILL THERE!). Had I been armed, I may have been able to fire a warning shot and scare them off - unless they themselves were armed.

Fortunatley, all that happened was a lot of damage to my car, a stolen gym bag and some missing CD's. That was a cold ride home in December with no windows on the driver's side. My boss (my ex father-in-law) covered all the damages that insurance didn't since he felt bad that I had to park outside because the overhead door guy didn't show up to fix it the day before. I remember thinking the whole way home about a concealed carry permit. I thought about it a lot over the next couple days, but haven't thought much about it until recently. This may change things for me a bit.
 
Honestly I don't know how I feel about that. I think the class should be a requirement, just because of the restrictions on where you can legally carry. A lot of people I talk to that ask me questions about where I can carry are surprised by some of the answers. I'm willing to bet there are a lot of people who would carry in a movie theater without realizing that you can't legally conceal carry there.

The obscene amount of money you pay, and the fingerprinting are stupid and unnecessary, but I feel like the classes are definitely needed.
 
ManglerYJ said:
Had I been armed, I may have been able to fire a warning shot and scare them off - unless they themselves were armed.
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That's a terrible idea. You never EVER discharge your firearm to protect your property. You just proved my point about the need for classes.
 
Blaze said:
That's a terrible idea. You never EVER discharge your firearm to protect your property. You just proved my point about the need for classes.
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Or the point could be made that some people shouldn't carry guns.

Still, I like the idea of Constitutional carry.
 
ManglerYJ said:
I'm one of the few men in my circle of buddys that does not own a gun, mainly because I have three kids ages 3-6 and one hot tempered teenager in the house. I've been contemplating a conceiled carry for a while, but putting it off until at least the youngest can differentiate between a toy gun and a real gun. I've heard all the arguments about "just lock it up and put it where he can't reach it", and while that's all fine and good - if the idea of owning a gun is for protection from criminals, I think I'd want to be able to access it QUICKLY.

I was raised in the suburbs of Detroit and had to work in a VERY rough part of Detroit at one point. One Saturday, I went in alone to do some work and had to park my car in a fenced in side lot of our building because the front garage door wasn't working. As I was locking the inner office door, I heard glass breaking outside. Much to my dismay, I looked out the window of the building to see 5 rather large guys breaking in to my car. Being that it was dusk, I couldn't see well enough to tell if they were armed or not, but since I was not armed, I called the police only to be informed that I should come to the station to file a report (even though the guys breaking in to my car were STILL THERE!). Had I been armed, I may have been able to fire a warning shot and scare them off - unless they themselves were armed.

Fortunatley, all that happened was a lot of damage to my car, a stolen gym bag and some missing CD's. That was a cold ride home in December with no windows on the driver's side. My boss (my ex father-in-law) covered all the damages that insurance didn't since he felt bad that I had to park outside because the overhead door guy didn't show up to fix it the day before. I remember thinking the whole way home about a concealed carry permit. I thought about it a lot over the next couple days, but haven't thought much about it until recently. This may change things for me a bit.
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yeah they tell you in the permit class to never fire a warning shot because your responsible for everything that comes out of that gun(among other reasons) and shoot only to kill not to wound and only if you have exhausted all other means.I was in town the other day and had a hoodie on.I was beside the truck takin it off and as I did a lady walked by and saw I was carryin.She ask me if I was gonna leave my pistol in the truck because she was afraid of it.I told her it wasnt the ones you could see that you had to worry about.That kinda suprised me cause guns are a big part of the culture around here.
 
Blaze said:
That's a terrible idea. You never EVER discharge your firearm to protect your property. You just proved my point about the need for classes.
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Well, I'm not sure if asking nicely would have accomplished it either...


Yes, I agree - the "warning shot" would have only been after announcing my presence and the fact that I do in fact have a gun (perhaps by pulling back the slide and entering a round into the chamber - that's a pretty unique sound). This is all, of course, Monday Morning Quarterback at this point because we can't go back and change anything, only learn from what happened (or didn't happen).
 
13bullets said:
Or the point could be made that some people shouldn't carry guns.

Still, I like the idea of Constitutional carry.
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I agree,there was a lady in my class that had a restraining order on her ex,(her 5th ex) and was tellin everybody about her disfunctional life.Her daddy had shot her momma,daughter had two kids by two different men and neither were around,son was in jail for theft/drugs and her house had been shot at a few times.If they had done anykind of physc evaluation I dont think she would have passed.Instructor said if anybody out of our class will shoot somebody itll be her.
 
If you fire the weapon, shoot to kill. End of story.
 
ManglerYJ said:
Well, I'm not sure if asking nicely would have accomplished it either...


Yes, I agree - the "warning shot" would have only been after announcing my presence and the fact that I do in fact have a gun (perhaps by pulling back the slide and entering a round into the chamber - that's a pretty unique sound). This is all, of course, Monday Morning Quarterback at this point because we can't go back and change anything, only learn from what happened (or didn't happen).
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you would have had to be pretty close for them to have heard it.I bought a blazer off a guy one time and got in the middle of a fight between him and the neighbor.The neighbor came at him w a baseball bat and had hit twice before he could get his gun out,by rights he could have shot the guy but the neighbor quit real quick when he saw dudes 40 pointed at him.
 
XJfreakHO said:
If you fire the weapon, shoot to kill. End of story.
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When I took my class the instructor said that the 911 call would be your best defense and told us to say "I fired two shots in his direction and he is not moving." and nothing more.
 
redneckjeep87 said:
Laws have changed..... Hb 650
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I'm not saying it isn't legal. Let me clarify my statement.

First of all, a warning shot is just asking to either damage someone else's property or hurt someone not involved at all. That bullet is going to land somewhere it shouldn't, especially if you are in the city.

I'm also saying that if you walk up to someone breaking into your car and shoot them dead, something is seriously morally wrong with you.

If you walk up and say "what the fuck are you doing" and they come towards you, that is a personal threat and should be handled. Shooting someone because they are damaging/stealing your property is just something that I am not prepared to have on my concience.
 
Depends what they are stealing, theres an AC Cobra in a friends garage... I would shoot first and worry about my story later.
 
ManglerYJ said:
Yes, I agree - the "warning shot" would have only been after announcing my presence and the fact that I do in fact have a gun (perhaps by pulling back the slide and entering a round into the chamber - that's a pretty unique sound).
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Yet another bad/flawed/television idea you have there. 1) with one not chambered, you are carrying 1 less round than possible. 2) if you are in a physical fight, or pushing off with your weak arm, there is no way you can rack the slide. 2) time. I had a gun pulled on me a few years ago by a drunk mexican. It did not go so far as me pulling the trigger...drawing and flipping the safety (s&w 457 in .45) took forever enough.

You need training. And probably more than a CCW class.
 
So from the sounds of it, I'm pretty characteristic of the current non-gun-owner and that the current state of the application process is pretty necessary to keep idiots like me safe from themselves and others by requiring classes. As noted, my lack of experience, coupled with a flawed media perception of guns, etc has kept me from pursuing gun ownership thus far and probably for a very good reason (those pointed out already above).

Now.... I'm obviously ignorant on the subject (not being funny - I'm being honest), so please enlighten me...

I guess the way I'm looking at this is that I'd think the current gun owning population wouldn't really be for this - instead they'd want the process to stay the same.
 
Getting a CCW is kinda like being treated like a criminal. You get fingerprinted, etc... Anyone willing to do that, is probably not going to shoot up the local liquor store or break into peoples houses to steal a few hundred bucks worth of stuff.
 
I think the current CCW procedure in is perfect, and wish that were the norm in all states. Especially here! Just my opinion.
 
XJfreakHO said:
Getting a CCW is kinda like being treated like a criminal. You get fingerprinted, etc... Anyone willing to do that, is probably not going to shoot up the local liquor store or break into peoples houses to steal a few hundred bucks worth of stuff.
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I'm not going to shoot up the local liquor store or break into houses either, nor am I going to be treated like a criminal to carry my gun. If carrying my gun is what makes me a criminal after a self defense situation, I can live with that.
 
I have a permit and I have no problem with how it's granted. Some of the other laws (restaurant carry, public events, school property, etc) do need to change though.

IF I were to carry every day then I would be commiting a felony when I drop my kids off at school. 2 felonies actually. 1 for each school. So am I supoposed to stop carrying? Hide my wepaon in the woods? Go back home and get it after dropping them off but before I go to work?
 
GotLime? said:
I have a permit and I have no problem with how it's granted. Some of the other laws (restaurant carry, public events, school property, etc) do need to change though.

IF I were to carry every day then I would be commiting a felony when I drop my kids off at school. 2 felonies actually. 1 for each school. So am I supoposed to stop carrying? Hide my wepaon in the woods? Go back home and get it after dropping them off but before I go to work?
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I agree with this. I'm not even supposed to enter our property at work if I have my firearm in my vehicle. But, who's to say what can happen between work and home while stopping at the ATM or store or where ever. They are taking away my abillity to defend myself. What these people don't understand is someone who has the mind to use a gun don't give shit that they can't have a gun on our property.
Ok, back on track now. If they relax the law a bit, there still needs to be some kind of class you have to take to teach folks the laws. And maybe a refresher every 4 yrs or so.
 
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It states in our employee handbook that there are to be no guns on the premissis. However, since we started a night shift and have had people driving and parking inside our gates, the boss said: "I'm not telling yall to pack some heat, but I know I would".

Basically what they want is, if you carry one, just don't leave it laying around. Be responsible and no one will ever know you have it.
 
I agree with Gotlime?. If you take the class for concealed carry, you should be able to carry anywhere. If you are concerned enough to take classes to educate yourself on safe carry and current gun laws then you are probably the type of person who will carry responsibly. The biggest problem with open or concealed carry, is education. When I was young, I was taught how to handle firearms in a safe manner but as the liberal media has demonized weapons, people have stopped training their children in the safe practice of handling weapons. We use to have a class in high school that was an elective and was very informative.
As far as firing a warning shot, I wouldn't do that and that is a good illustration as to why you should take classes. You sound like a responsible person just for the plain fact that you do not own a gun because of your kids. Go take some classes and then teach your children what you have learned. I have always owned a firearm of one type or another even when my children were young. I taught them gun safety when they were children.
 
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