Cruggy Progress II

okay i have several questions. first, why mount all your propane stuff in the engine bay? why not have the lockout in the back near the tanks? thats what im considering for mine. second, is it okay to mount the converter directly to the carb like that? i dont know how heavy all this is, but it seems like a lot of stress. third, what are you paying for hose and fittings, and where did you buy them? also, did you buy a kit with mixer, lockout and converter or did you peice it all together? and how much did you pay for your tanks? sorry for all the questions, im starting my pane in a few weeks
 
The lockoff is vacuum controlled, so that's one reason for mounting it up front... No propane flows until the engine generates some vacuum to open the lockoff. The less length in the hoses, the less time it takes to get propane into the engine. I suppose you could get an electric lockoff and mount it in the back, I've just never seen it done like that.

I might make a bracket to support the converter, but it's a 1" pipe nipple holding it in place, and even with only 2 bolts in the mixer, it doesn't flex a millimeter. I've even seen a picture of an OEM app with all 3 components mounted right to the mixer... for what it's worth. The converter doesn't weigh alot, but I did it mostly for space reasons, and to avoid using any of the vapor hose... it supposedly runs better this way.

Hoses, fittings, etc... Dillon's forklift shop. The shit ain't cheap. Hose is ~$4 a foot, the fittings are $3.17 each (you'll need a minimum of 4 with one tank, more if you run 2), and the connectors to the tank were like $12 each. The brackets for the bottles are $50 each. This is prices for new stuff... The fittings are very cool because it allows you to make your own hose lengths. The downside is, they don't swivel. makes attaching them a pain, but ya just gotta plan the order you attach them.

I bought the 3 major components as a set on ebay - was pulled from a vehicle. VFF30, Model E, 425 mixer... the 3 most common vehicle components.

I've got $425 into this, and I'm basically done. $200 of that was the brackets, hoses, and fittings. I got my tanks super cheap (don't ask, because it won't be a good reference), and the 3 major parts for about $125. But, to have a stone-simple, run-at-any-angle system that doesn't give a damn about water, dust, and all the other crap we deal with, I'll take it.
 
I wouldn't call that spaghetti of wires coming off the computer simple... Tell ya what.. start the engine and then start cutting wires.. it takes one wire to keep mine running. How about that EFI? :flipoff2:
 
I split off the propane tech stuff into general tech...
 
rich man that is a real pretty shade of blue. you should paint the whole thing that color. me likey blue.
 
Reworking the original tranny tunnel covers now to fit at this time and then fab an alum. diamond plate floor around that.
 
upnover said:
Smurf Blue I do believe! :D

Rustoleum "Royal Blue" actually.. It's a little darker in person, the flash tends to wash it out... but I'm DAMN glad I didn't get the "Sail Blue" that's slightly lighter!!

Smurf Blue is cool... and an OEM color from that era! Hmmm..

ROKSMURF
SMRFCRZR

The license plate opportunities are endless!!!
 
Well, I have called it a METRICJP before.. :p

Fortunately, I think with the Cruggy look, less people will call it a damned Heep. Now they won't know what to call it..
 
rich, can you spin that top part around so the 'pot' hangs off the side? I'd hate to see you have to tear everthign down for to change a thermostat or other simple thing... Possible have it bracket mounted with a short hose to allow for quicker disassemble ? Definitly see it stressing the ~carb unit over time..
 
yager said:
rich, can you spin that top part around so the 'pot' hangs off the side? I'd hate to see you have to tear everthign down for to change a thermostat or other simple thing... Possible have it bracket mounted with a short hose to allow for quicker disassemble ? Definitly see it stressing the ~carb unit over time..

Unfortunately, no.. it can only go forward or backward... backwards it hits the dizzy... but hanging over the side would also bake it with heat from the manifolds.. I want to keep the hoses away from that as much as possible.

Fortunately, it's only 4 easy 7/16" bolts and the whole thing pops right off the manifold (ok, add in unclipping the 2 cables) I got QUITE good at that with the q-jet.. I was always having to screw with that thing.

I believe you're right about the stresses... for peace of mind, I'll most likely make a little support bracket... it's something I've been going back and forth about, and "if ya think it might need the support, it does.." I've got a new thermostat ready to go in this weekend as well! (Old one has been in there since I bought the cruiser!)
 
Mine does hang to the side. No issues. Put it right in line with my heater hoses too. I am running an AMC 360 so not sure if that is a difference. When I bought it, it was used, and that's the way it was set up off of a chevy, so I left it as was.
 
Might be the differences in the bases we have, IIRC you have a Holley base, right? As I remember it, the screw holes in mine didn't seem to line up when I briefly tried it sideways a few months ago while I was cleaning it up... hrmmmm.. That doesn't make sense.. Shit, maybe I'll try that! the heater hoses *would* line up nicely.

Might owe the both of ya a :beer:
 
well now I'm REALLY gonna have to take a look!!! This would make a bracket even easier - If you look at an engine pic, my valve covers have little brackets on them already with holes... piece of cake! (Though I'll invariably over-think it and spend 4 hours on the bracket)
 
Rich, my motto is and always has been, "there's no success like excess". Mine has what looks like either black pipe or galvanized nipple between the mixer and converter. The Converter isn't that heavy and so far I have not seen anyone with a brace on it. So going by that I figured it wasn't needed. But if it's easy to make I see no reason why not.
 
First thing this morning I tore down the mixer.. Mine can only mount to the front, or the back. Oh well. (The plate between the mixer and the q-jet butterflies must be different on yours than mine)

Got the "carb" linkages hooked up and adjusted.. I have learned how incredibly important this is with a 700R4, so I spent a while on this. Damn universal bracket from Summit almost didn't work. The can with the yellow sticker is the oil pressure sender. Had to mount it up with a 1" riser, and a 90*

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The engine area as it sits now... Very nearly complete! Just need a couple of bolts for the mixer, mount the tranny cooler, and all fluids.

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'Pane tanks are plumbed 100%, you can baarely see the hinged shelf above them.. (The hinges I bought sucked ass, so it needs to be re-made)

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The VERY well protected radiator.. :D

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Moved the mount for the rear leaf spring up and slightly rear for lower ride height and more ground clearance. the hangar is flush with the bottom of the frame now.

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That's all I got done today.. Saturday was a non-shop day.
 
Looks really clean Rich! I went and looked at a Holly base plate and Impco 425 like yours, and yes, only front or backwards. The difference is the adapter peice in there for the quadra-jet. I guess if you really wanted it to the side you could put a 90* in there. Do you run a hydro assit? You have plenty of room for a cooler and some extra capacity on your pump.
 
upnover said:
Do you run a hydro assit? You have plenty of room for a cooler and some extra capacity on your pump.

No hydro assist, but there is a PS cooler on the front of the radiator...

Thanks for the compliment...
 
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