Dammit, Obama

kaiser715

kaiser715

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I learned today that BCBSNC is killing their grandfathered plans. I will have to get an ACA plan now.

Yeah, my premium has been high, and no subsidy, but it was a fantastic plan. I could go anywhere I wanted, and docs could afford to give you the time of day because they weren't being paid sub-medicare rates for a visit.

Grrrrrrrrrrr.

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kaiser715 said:
I learned today that BCBSNC is killing their grandfathered plans. I will have to get an ACA plan now.

Yeah, my premium has been high, and no subsidy, but it was a fantastic plan. I could go anywhere I wanted, and docs could afford to give you the time of day because they weren't being paid sub-medicare rates for a visit.

Grrrrrrrrrrr.

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Can you refer me to this article?
 
Don't worry. "You can keep your doctor" "It'll save the average family 2000 dollars a year"
Psych!!!
It sucks all around.


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Even Trump has said, "they Dems had 20 years to come up with a plan, & Now the Republicans have had 7+ years, & done Nothing"! Now that Most are on Insurance, Nobody wants to be left out. There's no 1 plan that pleases all. I think Trump did something Positive today, weather he Meant to or not. He sided with the Democrats, to fund the Government for 90 more days.
What has Every President said for years; We Have to work together, Cross the isle, get-er-done! Hopefully the Children in Congress will get some Smarts, & start Working Together!
 
Hate single payer all you want, but there are currently too many layers and too many hands in the cookie jar. I'm probably one of the most libertarian people on here, and I'd rather have single payer than the muddied water turd bag we have right now that has massive stupidity and consumer screwing from both the private sector AND the fedgov.
 
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Hate single payer all you want, but there are currently too many layers and too many hands in the cookie jar. I'm probably one of the most libertarian people on here, and I'd rather have single payer than the muddied water turd bag we have right now that has massive stupidity and consumer screwing from both the private sector AND the fedgov.
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Yep.
Lets pretend for a second there was an insurance company that was actually not-for profit, and had no shareholders to pay dividends too, and no need for increasing revenue, and had no expenses for PR, marketing, or new customer acquisitions. No CEOs, middlemen, or anyone making > ~$150k a year. No money spent on lobbying. Basically no need to spend money on anything except (1) the cost of paying for healthcare and (2) the cost of administering the program. Hence, no need to screw consumers. To me that sounds pretty appealing - and exactly what a (government run) single payer system could, at least in theory, do.

Private companies are dropping out like flies because it's too expensive for them to run healthcare... b/c they have operating expenses that are too high AND they have to turn a profit that increase every year to make their shareholders happy.

Just get it over wit hand fire all of the middle men and lobbyists.
 
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RatLabGuy I had made the assumption that you were like me and really was a medical technologist or the like. I run a medical lab. Tell me how a single payer (our govt) would pay without telling everyone what to do. What would be the next step after single payer failed? And it would. How far would govt take over? Of course single payer is what democrats want. People cannot be trusted to make good decisions on their own (democrat mentality) I'll tell you what is already happening is Medicare already decides when to stop treatment. It won't be in alignment with how you want you or your loved ones treated.

I believe open markets would be best.
basic fees posted openly by all medical entities to compare in an open market
having people pay out of pocket for minor issues vs insurance for every little event. Catastrophic insurance only.

By the way private medical entities are dropping out like flies because they have no leverage against insurance companies. Larger medical entities are able to negotiate better with insurance reimbursement.
 
it works so well in England that they have 8 office/administrative workers for every ambulance worker in the field.
 
i've said it before, single payer will be it. the only way they could serve up single payer to america was to first come up with a plan that was totally fudged up, costly and painful. i present to you obamacare. then they come out and say "the only solution is single payer, it will be affordable, hoards of babies will no longer die at the doors to the ER and cats will sleep with dogs". andddddddddd,,,,, dinner served, the average american will clap and eat it up.
 
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