Dana 300 fluid questions

vanguard

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I have a dana 300 mated to a TF999 auto tranny. It seems like the bearings on the rear output are bad (noisy and have play) so I'm replacing them this weekend. I'm hoping to do it quickly so I'm trying to get everything lined up in advance.
1) Will I need gear oil or ATF to refill my t-case?
2) I plan on using this grease to pack the bearings but it's my first time packing bearings inside the t-case. This grease doesn't cause problems there does it?
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80W-90 gear oil in the tcase. Whatever grease you want on the bearings.....

Andy
 
I assume you are talking about packing the needle bearings for reassembly. Get the intermediate gear real dry and they'll stick better. 2 quarts 75-90W
 
I wouldn't think you'd need to pack a bearing that will be running in an oil bath...

I replaced some bearings in my D300 and just coated them in oil for ease of assembly, used 80W-90 gear oil in the case and never had a problem since

Rob
 
I wouldn't think you'd need to pack a bearing that will be running in an oil bath...
I replaced some bearings in my D300 and just coated them in oil for ease of assembly, used 80W-90 gear oil in the case and never had a problem since
Rob
I wouldn't have thought I'd need to pack them either but I keep getting advice that I need to. I was wondering about ATF because I wasn't sure if fluid moved from the auto tranny to the t-case. I know it's a rookie question but nobody seems to know the answer.

FWIW, I'm replacing part 34 in the pic below. I also picked up part 32 and their races so I'll replace them as needed.

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There are shims under that bearing that set the preload on the bearings (like an axle pinion). Maybe it has too much play because there is too much distance between those bearings. See part 35? It should be a spacer with shims under it. If your adapter setup retained the seal in the tail of the tranny no ATF should get to the 300, . No ATF in the 300, its too thin. Test the new bearings and shim combination without the seal in until you get the play out (not too tight) then pop in the seal and RTV everything.
 
There are shims under that bearing that set the preload on the bearings (like an axle pinion). Maybe it has too much play because there is too much distance between those bearings. See part 35? It should be a spacer with shims under it. If your adapter setup retained the seal in the tail of the tranny no ATF should get to the 300, . No ATF in the 300, its too thin.
Ok, this is great tech and I thank you for it. (Thanks everybody) Sadly, it sounds like I might need new shims and I'm not sure where I can get them.

Background: On my last ride the u-joints on the rear driveshaft broke (caps came off). I wasn't doing anything stress when it happened. After I removed the driveshaft I noticed that it wouldn't move, not even with spreader clamps or a BFH. I had to use a hi-lift to get it apart.

My theory is that the "non-expanding" driveshaft caused havoc on the t-case (now it has play and makes noise) until the u-joint broke. That doesn't mean you're wrong. I can see how a stuck driveshaft could mess up the shims too. Now I need to figure out where I can buy dana 300 shims because it sounds like I'll need them even if I just replace the bearings.
 
Now that's different. After abuse like tht I would check the housing and case for damage. I might even suggest you replace the rear output with a new HD unit. I mean think about this, you're gonna be buying bearings and races and maybe more. A HD kit has all that (and shims and a new housing) for maybe $150 more. But you have to drop the case. The shims are sandwiched between surfaces, they're not damaged.
 
It's already a HD output and I think it's fine. I'll inspect the case but I predict it's fine too. I'll know more when I get inside of it this weekend. My guess is that it's just the bearings.
I am guessing that you have auto trans fluid leaking into your dana 300

did you install the HD kit?

how long ago?

does it have a clocking ring?

If so you might be fine, you might need a speedi-sleeve, If you do have a clocking ring
 
I am guessing that you have auto trans fluid leaking into your dana 300
did you install the HD kit?
how long ago?
does it have a clocking ring?
If so you might be fine, you might need a speedi-sleeve, If you do have a clocking ring
I didn't install the HD kit. I'd say it was installed about 2 years ago. It doesn't have a clocking ring.

What make you think that it's ATF getting into the t-case?
 
What make you think that it's ATF getting into the t-case?
Kinda wondering that too! Doesn't sound like you have any issues, just wondering what to refill/top it off with?

My D20 has crapped seals in the TH400toD20 adapter and it's VERY obvious there's ATF in the 90W! The pressure from the tranny actually forces the ATF past the seals... filling the TC... diluting the 90W... and basically pushing it out the vent once it's completely full! :(
 
Darn it, now you guys have me worried that I need to pull the transfer case, replace the seals, etc. This will be my first time messing with it so I have plenty to learn. I was hoping it would be a nice bearing replacement, which seemed like a fairly easy job.

Maybe I should have outlined all the history in the first post. Sometimes when you do that people don't want to read a book so I kept it short. I have a habit of writing long posts but I try to keep my questions to the point. Anyway, here is the background.

Over the last few rides a noise has been developing from what I *thought* was the rear axle. At first I thought it was just a rub I could ignore (mud on disc brake or something). After it a bit it squealed enough I figured it needed attention. I put it up on jackstands and gave it gas while it was in drive. With that, I could tell with full certainty that the grinding/squealing was coming from the t-case. On top of that, it seems to be coming from the back of the t-case on that bolt on housing for the rear output. It has tera HD outputs. Finally, there is play in the rear output. I took some video of it that you can see here: http://just4fun.org/images/buggy/wrenching_1-6-07/MVI_0795.AVI

All this made me think, it's the bearings. That explains the noise and the play. When you couple that with the fact that the driveshaft just broken going slow on a hill I can climb in a ford focus it make me think the driveshaft, which wouldn't expland/collapse, just put wear on the t-case and ruin the bearings.

As I type this up it still sounds like a pretty good theory to me. But I also worry that as I added too much fluid to the tf999 that I might have caused it to push into the t-case. I've been adding fluid because it would slip at steep angles.
 
What? Overfilling the TF999 would only result in it puking out the dipstick tube when hot...

However, *IF*you pull the fill plug on the D300 and...

- A stream the diameter of the hole shoots out (= TC overfilling via bad seals between the tranny & TC)...
- Or the 90W is now the consistency of cooking oil & red (could = the PO putting ATF instead of 90W in the D300)...

*THEN* you have a problem with ATF in the TC!

The only other issue I can think of lube wise would be if you stick your pinky in the fill hole and don't touch oil (= not enough in the TC)!

Has the Jeep been flat towed with the rear driveshaft connected? IIRC, the D300 will smoke the rear output because of oil starvation.

Otherwise, just proceed with checking the loose rear output!
 
hey woody. the shims should be right. My gues would be bearings. lthough i drove it like an old lady on the way to churdh, it found a way to beat on itself pretty hard!
 
hey woody. the shims should be right. My gues would be bearings. lthough i drove it like an old lady on the way to churdh, it found a way to beat on itself pretty hard!
I had enough work to do today to keep me busy before I hit the t-case. I finished mounting the new seats, seat belts, spare driveshaft, and the hi-lift. I also relocated the shifter.

Tomorrow is nearly dedicated to the t-case. I'll post up some pics of how it went.
 
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