Deep cycle battery?

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Chris
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I know everyone has their opinions on red/yellow/blue top batteries for winching, but I'm looking for alternatives to Optima yellow tops.

I read a thread from '06 that mentioned a Procomp battery from 4WP, are these still available? The only battery 4WP listed on their site was $320! :shaking: Are there any other good options?

Has anyone tried Duralast Golds from Autozone? They are about $100 cheaper than Optima yellow tops and I've never had any trouble returning stuff at Autozone. The Duralast says it also has 150 reserve minutes whereas the Optima has 120, even though I know reserve minutes doesn't exactly apply to heavy loads such as winching.
 
Sears DieHard Platinum - usually run around $220 but they go on sale quite often.

Warranty is excellent...4 year no questions full replacement, 100 month pro rated.

Manufactured for Sears by Odyssey.

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EDIT - You said deep cycle....still recommend the DieHard but have 3 yr replacement warranty and run around $275
 
Sears DieHard Platinum - usually run around $220 but they go on sale quite often.

Warranty is excellent...4 year no questions full replacement, 100 month pro rated.

Manufactured for Sears by Odyssey.

:beer:

EDIT - You said deep cycle....still recommend the DieHard but have 3 yr replacement warranty and run around $275

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This is it. A friend is a big consumer reports freak and these batteries out perform optima in every category according to him. When i go to duals thos will be my second.
 
Odyssey makes good stuff. I've got one... or used to. I think it finally gave up the ghost. Somebody let me know when these go on sale again. Last time, RatLab didn't mention it until the day after the sale. :flipoff2:
 
All depends on what you are going to do with and what it's going into.

If it's a trail rig and you do a lot of bouncing and or flopping over. I highly recomend a sealed battery like an Optima or an Odesey.
Otherwise a regular deep cell will do you well. I always like to get the longest warranty I can get.
 
I running the duralast gold and have been very impressed, I have done some hard winching pulling stumps and race volunteer work. It has allways done well.
 
After dismal life out of (the last) 3 Redtops & an Exide Orbital... I went to an O'Reilly "Extreme AGM" 2 years ago

Comparable specs, a REAL no BS warranty (96+ months IIRC... unlike Optima's :rolleyes: ), and $149 out-the-door :flipoff2:
 
I have a few duralast golds in various things and have had good experiences with all of them. Still have worthless three red tops sitting around... Anyway, agm is the next big thing...autozone is having a sale on their platinums until the 3rd of feb so that would be where I would look.

That being said, people mistakingly think that a deep cycle battery is more powerful or a better choice for winching when it's almost the opposite. Unless you're running a trickle charger and a trolling motor, use a regular automotive starting battery...
 
Deep Cycle batteries are designed to take more deep discharges than a regular car battery. The plates are thicker therefore less damage is done using them.
Personally I have a red top and a yellow top in my Jeep, why, because one was in a clunker I bought and the other I got a great deal on some 7 or so years ago.
My preference if I could get by with it(no spilling) would be car batteries for one big reason. They charge back faster.
 
After dismal life out of (the last) 3 Redtops & an Exide Orbital... I went to an O'Reilly "Extreme AGM" 2 years ago
Comparable specs, a REAL no BS warranty (96+ months IIRC... unlike Optima's :rolleyes: ), and $149 out-the-door :flipoff2:
This is what I have, great battery. It is the same as the Deka Intimidator AGM, but cheaper.
 
Deep Cycle batteries are designed to take more deep discharges than a regular car battery. The plates are thicker therefore less damage is done using them.

Right. But none of the batteries mentioned so far are deep cycle batteries. The batteries in my camper are deep cycles. They'll provide 10A all day long, but they won't provide 300A without cooking.

A lot of "marine" batteries are a vague compromise -- a bit more durability for deep discharging, but without as much surge capacity.
 
Right. But none of the batteries mentioned so far are deep cycle batteries

Yeap, and while that is the OP's subject line, he asks about a "winch" battery... guessing the responses leading him away from deep cycles was a polite way of asking him to put down the pipe? :D
 
Yeap, and while that is the OP's subject line, he asks about a "winch" battery... guessing the responses leading him away from deep cycles was a polite way of asking him to put down the pipe? :D
Here is the reason I, and probably many others, associate winching with deep cycle. One of, if not the most popular manutacturer of deep cycle batteries, recommends one for winching.
http://www.optimabatteries.com/optima_products/yellowtop/index.php
Or you can watch this video if you prefer:
http://www.optimabatteries.com/product_support/techtips.php
Or this, from 4WP:
Battery
Though not a built-in part of an electric winch per se, batteries are directly connected to electric winches and have enough of an impact upon winch performance to merit some consideration.
The problem is that stock batteries are designed primarily to start your vehicle, but may not be suited to handle the discharges required by winching. As a result, it’s best to keep your engine running during pulls to prevent a complete battery drain, but even then you should be wary of heat buildup due to prolonged winch operation.
Thankfully, there are solutions to this dilemma. Premium battery units like marine or spiral cell batteries are specifically designed to serve as dual purpose starting and deep cycle batteries. The Optima Yellow Top battery and Pro Comp HDX are good choices here.
Otherwise, getting the biggest and highest rated battery can only help you for powering a winch in recovery situations. Oftentimes, some gearheads will add a second battery to their vehicle devoted solely to winching, or perhaps add items like a battery isolator or solenoid to better manage the available power for winching.
Google "AGM batteries" and nearly every result combines the terms and gives you "deep cycle AGM batteries."

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The blue top is optima's "deep cycle" battery. The yellow top is their "dual purpose". I also don't think you'll find anyone that has bought one in the last four years tell you that they aren't both junk. It's a marketing mixup of terms but in the rest of the battery world, you have starting batteries and deep cycle batteries.

This qoute from their website
"The YellowTop can repeatedly bounce back from deep power drains to full energy capacity"
really makes me laugh. This and their warranty must be why there are so many people around with optima doorstops.
 
The blue top is optima's "deep cycle" battery. The yellow top is their "dual purpose". I also don't think you'll find anyone that has bought one in the last four years tell you that they aren't both junk. It's a marketing mixup of terms but in the rest of the battery world, you have starting batteries and deep cycle batteries.
This qoute from their website
really makes me laugh. This and their warranty must be why there are so many people around with optima doorstops.

Blue tops are the marine batteries with screw terminals in addition to stud terminals. Otherwise they are the same as the Yellow top. Both are considered "dual-purpose" batteries. The Red top is the starting battery.

ALL OF THEM SUCK. I have owned two reds and one yellow. Optimas cannot be deep-cycled without killing them. There are countless threads out there about how for the last handful of years they have lived on name alone. Somewhere there is a great technical thread where a former engineer from that company chimed in and dished all the dirt on how they cheapened those batteries up against the advice of their own engineering department. If I can find it I will post it up.

Exide Orbitals are the new Optima. The Sears re-brand is just as good. I will get one for my next battery. In the mean time my Blazer, which gets driven maybe 3-4 times per year, runs just fine on an old wet-cell from O'Reilly's that I put in in when I still lived in TX in 2005. 7 years and counting...
 
I explain the whole deep cycle/starting battery thing to my customers over and over again. I work on boats for a living(27 years) and sell a lot of batteries. If you go to Wall Mart or West Marine to get a battery for your boat, they will usually sell you a deep cycle, because most people think "marine battery" means deep cycle. The only place you want a deep cycle is in a situation where you have a low amp drain over a long period of time with a low amp recharge over a long period of time(hence the name, "deep cycle"). Its for trolling motors, house battery banks and invertor banks. These will be discharged slowly. I finally got to talk to the local West marine manager and showed him Mercury Marine, Yamaha Marine and Suzuki Marine battery requirements. No deep cycles for starting purposes. That brings us to winching batteries. You winch is a basically a hopped up starter motor, it pulls high amps, over a relative short amount of time and you recharge it fairly quick with a high amp alternator. you need fast discharge/recharge rates. Every one tries to use a deep cycle because they think if they run a starting battery dead, it will kill it. It will probably hurt the performance of it, but no worse than high loading a deep cycle would. You are better off with a starting battery for winching. Compare the CCA(cold cranking amps) of each battery and look at the reserve time, find the battery that has the highest amps first, then reserve. I haven't sold any of the AGMs or Gel batteries for use in boats because they don't seem to last as long as a good wet cell. Most AGMs and Gels require a lower charge rate and finishing voltage. Most of them advise to turn the charging voltage down on adjustable regulators to prevent them from overcharging, on board battery chargers usually have a multi position switch to change the charging rate for the different type of batteries. EFI engines require high CCA ratings so the ecm doesn't get any voltage drops when the engine is started and the starter load is put on the system.That being said, wheeling has a whole different set of parameters for batteries that usually require a sealed or non spill-able battery. I've put a lot of Optima batteries in the recycle bin at the metal shop(they are paying $.30/lbs for batteries). As far as the battery brand goes, I've been selling Deka brand(they make the sears batteries,and West Marine) for over 12 years, I have yet to have to get a single battery warrantied, I've had several get completely discharged and tested good after recharging. And as far as the dual purpose batteries, I've found they don't do either requirement as good as the dedicated batteries. Sorry for the rant, seems lie I'm explaining this to a customer at least once a week, you wouldn't believe the arguments I get about how their expensive agm deep cycle can't be the problem with burnt out starters(or the cheap ass #6 battery cables as well). I've watched people spend $800 in batteries to patch a problem with expensive batteries rather than pay me to replace the battery cables with good cables.
 
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