diesel performance

keithreed

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I have a 01 f-250 and I was wondering if I already have the Bully Dog chip and the Bully dog Triple dog power pup downloader if I would still be able to have the the Edge Juice Module?
 
If you are talking about stacking the chips, I know very little about all that electronic stuff. Only good old mechanical 12v knowledge here :).

But even then, are you sure that your transmission is up to the task?
 
Give us some more details and we'll be able to help! I will say theres much better options than stacking with your specific truck as well as some other issues that need to be covered first!

Let us know what year and Model your truck is, What are your goals with the truck, What transmission and any other upgrades that are currently in use!

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Its a 2001 f-250 7.3 and right now it already has a 4 inch cat-back exhaust with a 5 inch tip and has the bully dog chip but i was wondering if i would still be able to put a programmer and a module on the truck with the chip. Im trying to get atleast a little over 500 hp with just the chips and programmers and stuff if i can.
 
It would really by more of a waste of time and money to do so! Getting to 500 isn't as easily achieved with a Powerstroke but can be done! SCT is an OK option for the 7.3 but still doesn't hold the Power of a custom tuned 6 Pos. from TS. Above that you'll be needing to look at fuel system , Transmission or clutch, and a Turbo. You could stack the Bullydog BOX and a Programmer, but i highly recommend you not do so for a few reasons... You WILL not make your goal power, If anything, you'll loose 10-40 RWHP with two boxes on the truck, Why you ask? Pretty simple, Theres not an available 7.3 Tuner (except SCT) or Plug in box (Except something with custom tunes) that can eliminate timing ... which brings up another problem, You'll be throwing alot of fuel and heat and raising cylinder pressures, but not making any more power! Most Likely raising the already all to likely realization that you'll loose a head gasket! Secondly, your throwing lots of cash into something that nets no results, and even if they did, at this point theres other modifications that should come first!

A 6pos TS can be had for anywhere around $370-400 and some folks can have them custom tuned for you! If you prefer the programmer route, Many Vendors can get you the tuner, but you would need a custom tune, for which i would recommend innovative diesel!

I really hope this helps, and if theres anything i can do to help let me know!

Also, Nick at No Limit Off Road Carries many of these parts!

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keithreed said:
Its a 2001 f-250 7.3 and right now it already has a 4 inch cat-back exhaust with a 5 inch tip and has the bully dog chip but i was wondering if i would still be able to put a programmer and a module on the truck with the chip. Im trying to get atleast a little over 500 hp with just the chips and programmers and stuff if i can.
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The triple dog downloader won't work on yours, I don't know off hand of any programmers for your truck, The 7.3 is limited by its small injectors and a little turbo, making 500hp is a pipe dream without spending big cash on injectors and a turbo, custom chip and then getting a tranny built to handle it, 7.3 is just hard to make big pwr with, very reliable just not easy/cheap to crank up. Call Larry at discountpowerparts.com He spent a mint on a 7.3 and never broke 400 on the ground, he is now a devoted cummins man after he spent less than 2g's and broke the dyno at the pwrjoke event in Reliegh a few months ago in his 06 cummins. He made a crazy amount on his 01 cummins to, don't remember the numbers but silly useless amounts other than tractor pulls or drag racing.
 
Bully Dog does carry a downloader for the 7.3 , but Spile pretty much hit right on with what i was saying...Just a little more blunt lol! It can be done but your looking at a healthy pile of cash.

Theres probably 30 1,000RWHP + Common Rail Dodges out there right now. I just made a touch over 850 on a VP truck but i don't have everything just perfect yet!
 
keithreed said:
Its a 2001 f-250 7.3 and right now it already has a 4 inch cat-back exhaust with a 5 inch tip and has the bully dog chip but i was wondering if i would still be able to put a programmer and a module on the truck with the chip. Im trying to get atleast a little over 500 hp with just the chips and programmers and stuff if i can.
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500 hp on a powerstroke? buy a dodge!

get you the predator programmer. they do real good on a powerstroke from what i can see. I have the edge because of the disply of readings you get, not because of the hp. I get the hp from the smarty..
 
NCcummins, What truck do you have? NM Read your profile.

Your only getting about 65 max from a 2nd Gen Smarty. You'll get increased spool and more bottom end fuel , As well as kill your top end numbers, I only run one to spool my charger!

You comp drag should be timing and fueling and the smarty set on non timing level such as 8 , The smarty is a great addition to a wire tap box but does not add much power unless in a 3rd gen! In a 3rd gen a smarty and edge wont stack!
 
hope you have a built transmission if your planning on doing this
 
mysterync said:
NCcummins, What truck do you have? NM Read your profile.
Your only getting about 65 max from a 2nd Gen Smarty. You'll get increased spool and more bottom end fuel , As well as kill your top end numbers, I only run one to spool my charger!
You comp drag should be timing and fueling and the smarty set on non timing level such as 8 , The smarty is a great addition to a wire tap box but does not add much power unless in a 3rd gen! In a 3rd gen a smarty and edge wont stack!
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Why in the third gen would the smarty and edge not stack? I know some people who have the edge with attitude along with the smarty and it runs extremely fast...they also stack the smarty with the TST box and it is crazy as well..

I understand that out of a second gen you cant get near the new motors in the 03 and up...but the smarty added atleast double the edge and all my torque and power is in the high RPMs and the truck barely has any low end...
 
The smarty will only add a good bottom end burst of fuel in a 2nd gen! It killed my top end number over 50 RWHP.

3rd Gen Edges uses a much diffrent system to create power than a 2nd gen. 03-05 FOR A FACT do not make any more power with the edge smarty stack. The TST uses a diffrent method THROUGH the ecm to raise rail pressure and timing.

I'll be more than happy to prove the subject.
Do you have a Juice with attitude or drag comp?

PS , on the dyno, you'll realize the smarty only makes the truck Feel stronger, Its the way it fuels, The new smarty files also have some added RPM but due to not tapping the wire, it only makes about 65 hp
 
I trust you as I am just in ther learning process of these trucks for now. I have the edge with attitude and the smary I got from a guy who knows the owner of MADS electronics and from my numbers on the dyno. For me, the smarty added more then I expected, ill post the dyno sheets later today...

What kinda truck do you have and what do you run?
 
After riding in a DP tuner truck that is what will be going in my PSD.
 
Right Bob Wagner, So you bought one of 3 places in North Carolina.. and i know one you didnt buy it from. Now , You wana know me , Ask adam hurdt who i am.
I just made over 800 with a single, 2001 5.9L.

I promise you, Your smarty didnt add over 65 HP , The combination of both spooling on a smaller charger may inflate your number, you'll see when you put a larger charger on!

PS , the true owner of Mads Electronics is Marco, not Bob Wagner, Bob is the Head of sales in the us for Mads
 
mysterync said:
Right Bob Wagner, So you bought one of 3 places in North Carolina.. and i know one you didnt buy it from. Now , You wana know me , Ask adam hurdt who i am.
I just made over 800 with a single, 2001 5.9L.
I promise you, Your smarty didnt add over 65 HP , The combination of both spooling on a smaller charger may inflate your number, you'll see when you put a larger charger on!
PS , the true owner of Mads Electronics is Marco, not Bob Wagner, Bob is the Head of sales in the us for Mads
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is this post reffering to me? i didnt post anything to piss you off? how could i...i hardly know anything about any truck insept the truck I have...i know Adam real well. Just saw him yesterday...i was not doughting you in anyway...damn...


and my name is Chris Nadeau...not bob wagner....sorry to get you in a bad mood...later
 
No lol, You didnt get me in a bad mood, I was just saying anyone around here buys from bob wagner, he owns smarty power, we dont buy from marco directly. I'm not dogging on you just sayin, sorry if i came off rude. Adams a good friend of mine!
 
Haha its all good man. I am just now getting into the diesel world and this 02 is the first truck I have had that is a diesel and I trade my 03 hemi for it. I got my smarty from Ty, who lives in Highlands, im guessing you know him too, drives the red dodge and races at DHRA sometimes....I guess he got me it from Bob....but that is good to know...
 
mysterync said:
No lol, You didnt get me in a bad mood, I was just saying anyone around here buys from bob wagner, he owns smarty power, we dont buy from marco directly. I'm not dogging on you just sayin, sorry if i came off rude. Adams a good friend of mine!
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I just read over this...its a good read and you are completely right!

Q. How much horsepower will the CaTCHER add to my 98.5-02 engine?

A. That is the most FAQ of the FAQ's! My answer usually is: none. Those who have followed
me through the years or already own a CaTCHER ECM know that I'm kidding. For instance,
the CaTCHER deals not only with the top range Hp of your engine. The CaTCHER is VERY
noticeable from idle up. As soon as you touch the throttle, you will KNOW that the CaTCHER is
in there.

I will try to give an serious answer for the first time to this question.

First of all, the power added by the CaTCHER depends upon the mods done to the engine.
That makes this question even more difficult to answer. On a stock engine typically we see an
Hp increase at the rear wheels of about 60 Hp.( Is there still such a thing, a STOCK truck??? )

With taller injectors the Hp gain increases. How much? I don't know! That depends upon the
injectors, turbo, intake , exhaust... You got the picture. The best mod combined with a
CaTCHER is without doubt a good set of injectors.

Fuel pump wire tapping boxes WITHOUT added timing come next if you're after serious Hp.
In that kind of scenario the CaTCHER becomes very noticeable in the top Hp range.
I have customers that have gained over 75 Hp with that kind of stack above all other stacks
they had tried before. If you have ears...

The most difficult stack with the CaTCHER is with boxes that add their own timing.
For those cases we've stuffed the softwares without added timing into Smarty.
Yet, I have to say, we're not taking the full advantage of the dynamic timing the ECM can
provide.
It has been proved many times by now. The CaTCHER stacked with a fuel only box provide
the highest Hp gain. More than what a timing&fuel box that can't be stacked with anything will
provide
 
Holy hyjack batman...
Anyways to the first question I spoke with a fella at work and he loves his banks kit he bought for his 01 7.3. Intake, exhaust, chip. He uses his for towing and daily driving. I can still run circles around him with my chip off but he says it is twice the truck it was factory. Another guy is running a bully dog on his 99 and said it made a huge difference in pulling his camper and off course just day to day driving. Just thought I throw that out there.
 
Mysterync has given good info... And his truck is STRONG. His truck and mine will be on the dyno this year at our Extreme Dyno Day with my single and what is in my sig. If you guys need prices or anything get ahold of either of us and we can help you out.
 
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