Engineer Failure

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Construction on the new bridge over Independence Boulevard has been delayed indefinitely.


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CATS not ruling out demolition, project delays after bridge construction failure
How many of you have seen this? Between some TV coverage & the Observer, it seems the Formed Girders, Won't line up. If I understand correctly, the Bridge makes a slight curve, plus it's bowed. What ever, the sections don't line up. The Contracted Company, is out of Texas, all work has stopped & nobody's talking. Sneaky feeling is, they may declare Bankruptcy. What to do Now? I wonder if there is a way to make "Adapters" to connect the girders, or do they have to have new ones made? Just add this to the Delayed Road Contracts!
 
Interesting, having worked with CATS on the light rail, I'm sure they will get to the bottom of it. They tend to go pretty hard after contractors that don't live up to their expectations(at least the PM's I worked with). If the girders aren't lining up, its more than likely the end bents/caps being misaligned. If that's the case it could be a surveying/plan error. I haven't followed the street car too much, we are too busy at the airport/gateway station project/closing the light rail job.
 
Maybe the city shouldn't choose the lowest bidder. Sometimes you get what you pay for.
the whole united states are based on a low bid system. which is stupid to me. one of my teachers in college was from France and he said most of Europe works on the Avg. construction cost system. whoever is the closest to the avg of all bids gets the job. The low bid system has some huge problems and one of the bigger ones is change orders by low bidder, realizing an architect made a mistake and its gonna cost alot to fix, they wont say anything and day after contract is signed turn in a change order for a large amount of total project cost. In Europe most architects wont allow a change order unless owner request it. so if there is a question about construction it gets asked fixed and there are alot less project blown way over budget because of it.
 
Good, fast, cheap. Pick two. I like that avg. Synopsis, to logical for Merica.

Of course France does have that whole rioting thing going from excessive spending.
 
Good, fast, cheap. Pick two. I like that avg. Synopsis, to logical for Merica.

Of course France does have that whole rioting thing going from excessive spending.

My saying is that if it makes sense then that's probably not the they want it done. Sensible logic escapes most.
 
Good, fast, cheap. Pick two. I like that avg. Synopsis, to logical for Merica.

Of course France does have that whole rioting thing going from excessive spending.

If architects/engineers were held accountable for major mistakes in the drawings they produce it wouldn’t happen nearly as often. Some companies will put no profit on a job and bank on x number of change orders at 30% to make the profit. I wouldn’t consider that ethical but it happens. I bid a job two years ago and the low bidder left off all the Sheetrock in the building because they felt the architect didn’t give enough details on what was to have Sheetrock.... they ended up being 500,000 over budget and a several months over due on the job.


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My small world has finally figured out bottom row bidding hurts everybody.
First the customer. Really. They grow accustomed to said rate or dollar bracket. Then false expectations and worse feasibility get shot to Hell. Then introduce someone bent on quality and making an honest wage and the "average" just got skewed. I can see where the system you discribed would actually benefit the end user as much as the manufacturer provider. Over ballooning cost and profit would equally cull out identities as effectively as the Jack leg trying to cut throats or his own nose off unknowingly.
 
If architects/engineers were held accountable for major mistakes in the drawings they produce it wouldn’t happen nearly as often.

Thanks to contributory negligence laws, they're often pulled in as a party to mistakes they had nothing to do with.
 
the whole united states are based on a low bid system. which is stupid to me. one of my teachers in college was from France and he said most of Europe works on the Avg. construction cost system. whoever is the closest to the avg of all bids gets the job. The low bid system has some huge problems and one of the bigger ones is change orders by low bidder, realizing an architect made a mistake and its gonna cost alot to fix, they wont say anything and day after contract is signed turn in a change order for a large amount of total project cost. In Europe most architects wont allow a change order unless owner request it. so if there is a question about construction it gets asked fixed and there are alot less project blown way over budget because of it.

One of my past clients was in private-sector construction, mainly commercial buildings. Their method was to automatically throw out the highest bid and the lowest bid, assuming either a mistake was made, corners were cut, something was overlooked or left out, etc. They figured it kept the estimators/quoters/sales reps at their subs on their toes, too. Knowing the rules of their game, it made them shoot for the most accurate bid they could, not low.

I did work for one state-funded agency at one time (IT subcontractor). Never again. It was time and materials, but I had to re-bid every 90 days to keep the contract. Kind of a "i charge $150 an hour, I anticipate x hours of server routine maintenance, 10 printer repairs, 18 virus or malware fixes, etc, etc, over the coming 90 days. Stuff you really can't predict. Then at the end of 90 days, it was "well, we see we had 11 printer repairs, not 10, why?" Stupid, because they had some discretion as to who they picked, not necessarily the low bid, but the lowest bid that would do the requirements of the job to their satisfaction. So basically, as long as they were happy with my work, they could keep me. But I had to do a proposal every 90 days, and they got 3 or 4 other tech guys to do the same, every 90 days, and I kept them for about 8 years (until they lost funding in 2008/9). Same 3 or 4 guys kept bidding every time though (at least on the record....I wondered more than once if the ED wasn't just changing the dates on their old proposals).
 
If architects/engineers were held accountable for major mistakes in the drawings they produce it wouldn’t happen nearly as often. Some companies will put no profit on a job and bank on x number of change orders at 30% to make the profit. I wouldn’t consider that ethical but it happens. I bid a job two years ago and the low bidder left off all the Sheetrock in the building because they felt the architect didn’t give enough details on what was to have Sheetrock.... they ended up being 500,000 over budget and a several months over due on the job.


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People make mistakes. This one will sting as the management of the project might get canned/demoted. That’s why it is nice being a lowly engineer keeping busy with calcs that get submitted for review first :D


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