Explain 3 Phase Power

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We are finally closing on our house friday (bout damn time) and thus I can finally get into my new shop. It has its own hookup with 3 phase power supply as well as 440V(?) hookup. I know basic wiring and electrical stuff, but this is over my head. Can anyone explain it in layman terms? Its there and hooked up, so if I can benefit from it, why not.

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Layman terms? Its for the big shit.
 
What you need to know is this

All your lights and receps and thing sthat ru on 120 in your current garage...will be fine.

Anything you have that is 240V 2 pole power may or may not work. Dont plug it in and find out....you could smoke your equipment.
If you have an air compressor, welder or other equipment get with someone who knows what they are doing before you mess your tools up.
 
What you need to know is this

All your lights and receps and thing sthat ru on 120 in your current garage...will be fine.

Anything you have that is 240V 2 pole power may or may not work. Dont plug it in and find out....you could smoke your equipment.
If you have an air compressor, welder or other equipment get with someone who knows what they are doing before you mess your tools up.
thats what I was looking for. I dont have any equipment right now, so I need to know what to buy.
 
Buy a voltage meter. Before you plug in verify what you have.

Most electric motors and welders can be wired 220v or 440v internally. (3 phase and some single phase) You will need to look at the packers head on the motor. On the welder it should have a schematic on the inside. If not, go to the manufacteru web site and download a manual.
 
And... always run a common ground. Along with the neutral wire. A lot of folks that do their own neglect that.
 
Single phase has 2 energized wires, which creates a "phase" between those leads. Three phase has 3 energized wires which creates a phase between each pair of wires, so 3 phases. Maybe @Ron can elaborate on the difference between 120v and 240v nomenclature, since one has 2 hots and a ground, and 1 has 3 hots and a ground. Wire is generally sized based on how much amperage draw the circuit or equipment has. Equipment generally requires a certain amount of watts to run. For a single phase circuit, Watts=volts*amps So a 4800 watt load pulls 40 amps at 120v, 20 amps at 240v, or 10 amps at 480v. Also, 3 phase reduces amp draw by about 43% compared to single phase. In industrial applications, where you're running thousands of feet of wire or pulling thousands of amps, it can be significant cost and complexity savings to use smaller wire and higher voltage.

In the residential world, it just means that you can buy whatever equipment you want. Some of us fools who like equipment have to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on phase converters and transformers to get 440-480v 3 phase power. Because of this, the same equipment on 120v or 220-240v single phase is more valuable to the average consumer because everyone has that power available at their house. Now that I have a good phase converter, I don't mind 240v 3 phase stuff, but still stay away from 480v 3 phase stuff because I don't want to buy a transformer to convert from 240v to 480v. When I was building my shop, I asked Duke Power about running 3 phase to my house. They said I would have to pay for all the lines and new poles from the main highway, down the secondary road, down my tertiary road, and down my driveway, which is probably about 2 miles. I didn't even bother with a quote. If you ever go to sell your place, it will add some small value to the right person because you have 440v 3phase power.
 
Does that light switch beside it do anything by chance? Whats the big romex looking wire go to? I'm betting that's not actually 440v 3p. It looks like someone swiped a starter and a box from work for a home project and it just says 440v. It looks like only the outside terminals of the startery are being used which means it's most likely just 220v single phase.
 
That's a starter in the box. Not the right cover for the box either, kinda sketchy being able to stick a finger in there to the terminals.

Does that light switch beside it do anything by chance? Whats the big romex looking wire go to? I'm betting that's not actually 440v 3p. It looks like someone swiped a starter and a box from work for a home project and it just says 440v. It looks like only the outside terminals of the startery are being used which means it's most likely just 220v single phase.

The big romex goes to nothing. I plugged my 220v compressor into it one day not knowing and it wouldn't cut on so I am not sure. It also makes a nice humming when its turned on. Switch does something but honestly I can't remember right now. Maybe that is the starter I am hearing when I do that.
 
We are finally closing on our house friday (bout damn time) and thus I can finally get into my new shop. It has its own hookup with 3 phase power supply as well as 440V(?) hookup. I know basic wiring and electrical stuff, but this is over my head. Can anyone explain it in layman terms? Its there and hooked up, so if I can benefit from it, why not.

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Do you have a transformer inside the building breaking the power down from 440 to 220?
 
The big romex goes to nothing. I plugged my 220v compressor into it one day not knowing and it wouldn't cut on so I am not sure. It also makes a nice humming when its turned on. Switch does something but honestly I can't remember right now. Maybe that is the starter I am hearing when I do that.
If it's what I'm thinking the lightswitch is for the control power for the starter. Flip switch up, energizes the starter causing it to pull in (possibly hum too, older startery like that tend to sometimes) and provide power to the stove plug below or to whatever the Rome once went to. I'd get a multimeter and start checking things in that garage. Whoever did that wiring job might have done some other creative things that could give you a nice surprise.
 
If it's what I'm thinking the lightswitch is for the control power for the starter. Flip switch up, energizes the starter causing it to pull in (possibly hum too, older startery like that tend to sometimes) and provide power to the stove plug below or to whatever the Rome once went to. I'd get a multimeter and start checking things in that garage. Whoever did that wiring job might have done some other creative things that could give you a nice surprise.

What would the purpose of the starter be for? Why wouldn't just a normal plug do what they want? Everything else is pretty simple in the garage. There is also like a 50amp transfer switch though.
 
What would the purpose of the starter be for? Why wouldn't just a normal plug do what they want? Everything else is pretty simple in the garage. There is also like a 50amp transfer switch though.

No idea. I use them every day but I worknit industrial equipment. Likely someone like me who is comfortable working on electrical stuff and made his setup at home neat with extra equipment from work. He might have been a hobby woodworker and this was how he wired up his dust control system so he could contol it from inside rather than going in and out.

I'm curious to see inside the box with the cover off. That big switch over top looks to be his disconnect for the starter.
 
No idea. I use them every day but I worknit industrial equipment. Likely someone like me who is comfortable working on electrical stuff and made his setup at home neat with extra equipment from work. He might have been a hobby woodworker and this was how he wired up his dust control system so he could contol it from inside rather than going in and out.

I'm curious to see inside the box with the cover off. That big switch over top looks to be his disconnect for the starter.

I'll take some pics when I go out there next. The original person that owned the house I heard either was a welder or worked with tools and dies. The owner after that did a lot of wood working inside the garage.
 
Do you have a transformer inside the building breaking the power down from 440 to 220?
I haven't seen one. But there is an attic that I haven't fully explored. There's also several cabinets so could be.

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Ok, sidetrack. We are in the house now. the meter for the shop reads 000000 hrs. Appears dead as there is nothing to the main breaker. I plan to have duke come out and verify that it is indeed dead and no juice whatsoever. they want a small fortune to turn it back on as it is apparently considered a "commercial hookup"? I have several open breakers in the houses box, any problem with running a heavy gauge wire from the house out there? That is the way we did my stepdads shop when we built it. I only need 110 right now and a 220 at some point for a welder. Would I have any issues doing this? Ill post pics of meter and box tonight.
 
there isnt any issues with it, if you only want single phase. You need to figure out how long, and how much power you want to have out there, to determine what size wire you need. Also need to make sure you get wire that is designed for direct bury or, my recommendation, place a pipe to put it in. I recommend placing multiple pipes out there. That way you have a chase if you decide to run water or comm to the building, or upgrade the power.
 
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