GDI engine failures potentially driving up EV sales?

Darkbloodmon

Active Member
Joined
Dec 21, 2020
Location
Concord, NC
Had an automotive playlist playing in the background on YouTube while doing some other work and a Video by CarWizard came up where he was going over the failure of a 2017 Hyundai Sonata and why the vehicle was sunk from its damages(oil starvation from negligent owner, Dealership refused warranty engine replacement on that evidence alone) In which he made a point that got me thinking. "...GDI engine failures are going to drive EV sales, a lot of people won't like that but its true and this is the evidence..."

I was updating information in a marketplace listing I kept getting haggard about by people who don't read even though every detail about the product has been provided and when I heard that point he made, it clicked and made sense to me.

CarWizard expanded on his point saying that there was a time when you were expected as a consumer to take care of and maintain what you purchased and you were shamed for letting something fall apart to an unusable state outside of the manufactures or professional recommendation and how that ideology has changed with how disposable our society has progressively become.

If you think about it, it makes sense. I would venture to say the most if not one of the most "maintained" products in the average American house hold today is the Smart Phone.
You buy it, plug it in, do minimal maintenance and repairs, and dispose of it when it gives you more headache than its worth after a point of time transferring everything you had previously onto the new device.

If automakers can make an EV vehicle for the general populace that asks little more of your time, attention, and care than a smart phone requires outside of plugging it in to charge, push button updates and minimal routine maintence being tires, suspension, and brakes (Components that have progressively become more durable in performance and longevity with technological innovation); then they'll have made one of the best selling products by those qualities alone.

The formula being : Least amount of effort and responsibility on the consumers part to own, most amount of instant gratification over the products lifespan even at the cost of it being shorter.

It makes alot of sense. I can't tell you how many Kia's, Hyundai's, GMC's, Chevy's, with GDI engines I've towed because the owner(s) didn't check the oil, didn't change it on time, wasn't aware of it burning oil and it locks up. The people who check and are aware of vehicle maintence needs are a minority. Even when the vehicle verbatim tells you people are ignoring it out of ignorance. I towed a 2017 Buick Enclave recently, engine overheated on the highway, The lady driving it pulled over when she saw the error message, which stated to leave the vehicle idling for coolant circulation and she turned it off and sat waiting for AAA. I'm eagerly waiting to see the engine failures on the new Hurricane engines soon to be rolling out in the North American market. Twin turbo GDI, low displacement straight six with HO variants.

Even when buying a used car, you can't expect much more details on the vehicles maintence records besides tires and oil changes. "Timing belt? Timing Chain? Didn't know" , "The transmission has a filter too?", "Differentials have oil?", "I didn't know that noise was the struts separating I thought it was the tire, I was planning to get one tire to replace that side" , "brakes? yea it stops"

I thought it was a really interesting point he made that brought Collective American Consumerism to a understandable level of personal purchase choice.

Thoughts?
 
As of now I dont see me ever having an EV of any kind.I know tech changes almost daily and they are constantly trying to get more range out of them but I dont ever foresee a time when Ill willingly buy one.
 
If automakers can make an EV vehicle for the general populace that asks little more of your time, attention, and care than a smart phone requires outside of plugging it in to charge, push button updates and minimal routine maintence being tires, suspension, and brakes (Components that have progressively become more durable in performance and longevity with technological innovation); then they'll have made one of the best selling products by those qualities alone.

The formula being : Least amount of effort and responsibility on the consumers part to own, most amount of instant gratification over the products lifespan even at the cost of it being shorter.
This isn't a new idea. One of the big publicly advocated advantages of EVs is less shit to maintain.
And frankly as a guy who would rather spend my time tinkering wit han old project car than my or the wife's daily... that is rather appealing.
 
This isn't a new idea. One of the big publicly advocated advantages of EVs is less shit to maintain.
And frankly as a guy who would rather spend my time tinkering wit han old project car than my or the wife's daily... that is rather appealing.

I've got nothing against ev's, I've driven several teslas... but I'd argue that a brand new car with it's 10+k mile oil change intervals and 35mpg needing gas twice a month is a lot less hassle than having to always have to remember to plug your car in or plan your road trip around when and where a supercharger is.

If you're comparing your 35 year old 4 runner to a new $80k car, then sure
 
As of now I dont see me ever having an EV of any kind.I know tech changes almost daily and they are constantly trying to get more range out of them but I dont ever foresee a time when Ill willingly buy one.
When I look back 30+ years I have said this so many times, and yet still end up an adopter. Digitized musics was a biggy for me... "CD's sound so good and work just fine, there's are 40 different formats on MP3 like things, thats never gonna standardize and I ant to have a physical media to hold in my hand." Or... cell phones, texting, etc.
People said the same about gas cars too. You just never know.
 
I've got nothing against ev's, I've driven several teslas... but I'd argue that a brand new car with it's 10+k mile oil change intervals and 35mpg needing gas twice a month is a lot less hassle than having to always have to remember to plug your car in or plan your road trip around when and where a supercharger is.
Just to play Devil's advocate - the exact same is true about cell phones... people just learned to adapt their life to the need. Do you feel like keeping your phone charged is a major hassle and negatively impacts your life?
And re: pump access, same used to be the gas w/ gas too. One it became common and stardadized society adapted.

Also I have a coworker than only charges his car about once week. His daily commute is only 25 miles. There's a lot of people in that boat.
 
Just to play Devil's advocate - the exact same is true about cell phones... people just learned to adapt their life to the need. Do you feel like keeping your phone charged is a major hassle and negatively impacts your life?
And re: pump access, same used to be the gas w/ gas too. One it became common and stardadized society adapted.

Also I have a coworker than only charges his car about once week. His daily commute is only 25 miles. There's a lot of people in that boat.


Charge is highly dependent on weather... I'm sure in 30 years we'll all be driving ev's, or just as likely nothing at all--hopefully I'm dead by then. I'm just saying you're comparing maintenance on a vehicle that is at least a decade old and cost at most 30k to a brand new 60-100k vehicle--that also have issues.
 
Charge is highly dependent on weather... I'm sure in 30 years we'll all be driving ev's, or just as likely nothing at all--hopefully I'm dead by then. I'm just saying you're comparing maintenance on a vehicle that is at least a decade old and cost at most 30k to a brand new 60-100k vehicle--that also have issues.
I'm not sure who is making that comparison? Only somebody saying to drop a used car to buy a new EV?
Maintanance starts to ramp up on most traditional ICE cars by 75k, 100k at most (by then you're at least into the 2nd set of brakes and a coolant flush). That only 5-7 years. For me thats within the range I keep a car. Other than the battery replacement, which obviously is a huge cost, but only a single trip to the car work guy, an EV of similar age will have less to deal with.
The point is the maintanance difference is probably small for new vehicle but grows with time

.... until we find out what we don't know about the logevity of the electric motors or whatever.
 
brand new car with it's 10+k mile oil change intervals
You're not getting 10K+ mile oil change intervals with what the vehicle needs when that dealership maintenance program runs its course. Then its "Take 5s" and "Quick lubes" Cheapest goop you got $20.00 oil change.

Engine locks at 80K
 
Maintanance starts to ramp up on most traditional ICE cars by 75k, 100k at most (by then you're at least into the 2nd set of brakes and a coolant flush)
That's a good point, Rental Car Companies dump fleets right before anything major is needed.
 
When I look back 30+ years I have said this so many times, and yet still end up an adopter. Digitized musics was a biggy for me... "CD's sound so good and work just fine, there's are 40 different formats on MP3 like things, thats never gonna standardize and I ant to have a physical media to hold in my hand." Or... cell phones, texting, etc.
People said the same about gas cars too. You just never know.
My dad is a retired diesel mechanic(imagine the changes he's saw) and I remember back in the 80's (probably 83-84) he was sent to a school/class about the new fuel systems they were coming out.I can remember him bitching about what he said was basically an electric carb and how they were gonna be so much trouble.He was talking about throttle body injection.He bought his first fuel injected vehicle in 1990,a Toyota 22RE,and still has it.I know a TB and Toy injections are entirely different but I guess fuel injection wasnt soo bad after all.
 
Also I have a coworker than only charges his car about once week. His daily commute is only 25 miles. There's a lot of people in that boat.
Those folks who have a live close to work and/or in the city are the main ones who will benefit from them.It would be a major pain in the ass for me as much as I drive/haul/pull.
 
Those folks who have a live close to work and/or in the city are the main ones who will benefit from them.It would be a major pain in the ass for me as much as I drive/haul/pull.
The UPS truck that delivers to our yard is "All Electric", its has a small diesel generator on board that recharges the battery.
 
Those folks who have a live close to work and/or in the city are the main ones who will benefit from them.It would be a major pain in the ass for me as much as I drive/haul/pull.

I don't see my family becoming completely EV in my life. Odds are pretty good we will have at least one at some point, and for my wife it would make sense. But like you I haul too much too far to get rid of my truck on the current EV technology.

Duane
 
But like you I haul too much too far to get rid of my truck on the current EV technology.
If were talking about market size and marketability for EV's for truck and full sized SUV owners I think it'd be an easy sell for those just wanting a large vehicle for commuting versus those who actually utilize their towing or payload capacity on the regular.

We already know majority of light duty full size trucks rarely touch any weight or trailer. If you tell a potential buyer that they (Hypothetical) can get 450mi on a charge for the full sized truck or SUV they already want at a cost of practicality/efficiency they were expecting for a vehicle of that size; I don't think they're going to care as much for payload or towing numbers.

Everyone else is a minority and not worth brining into the market share for the time being.
 
I concur with the op. And that target market will be the younger folks. Say 25-30 tops and younger. I bet at the average new license age a large number can't tell the difference in diesel and gas. Tech will continue to evolve while the populous continues to use it as a crutch. Remember we have a growing and established group who believe large amounts of meat products don't involve living breathing creatures on farms. You know the burger comes from the restaurant folks.
 
If were talking about market size and marketability for EV's for truck and full sized SUV owners I think it'd be an easy sell for those just wanting a large vehicle for commuting versus those who actually utilize their towing or payload capacity on the regular.

We already know majority of light duty full size trucks rarely touch any weight or trailer. If you tell a potential buyer that they (Hypothetical) can get 450mi on a charge for the full sized truck or SUV they already want at a cost of practicality/efficiency they were expecting for a vehicle of that size; I don't think they're going to care as much for payload or towing numbers.

Everyone else is a minority and not worth brining into the market share for the time being.

I don't disagree with any of that. I was simply agreeing with @1-tonmudder and many others here I'm sure that the current EV tech isn't to a place where we can get rid of our ICE trucks.

Duane
 
I'm sure that the current EV tech isn't to a place where we can get rid of our ICE trucks.

No where close, Auto mfgs. will have to reinvent or at least distract from a core American Consumer Ideology first.

"Having the Option"

"I don't need a smart home system, but I have the option"

"I don't need five different types of firearms, but I have the option"

"I don't need a 3/4ton or 1ton diesel pickup, but I have the option"

"I don't need 5000 cable tv channels and unlimited movie/show streaming, but I have the option.

"I don't need 4x4 or AWD, but I have the option"

List of examples could go on.
 
I'm confused as to what that has to do with anything I said?

Duane

Auto mfgs. don't currently have the tech to replace ICE trucks weather for aesthetics or utilization. But even if they could get close to either there will still be hold outs who want to have the option.

The hurdle for replacing ICE trucks and SUVs with EVs is twofold. Getting the tech and bells and whistles there, and then changing the ideology of optional excess in the American Consumer.
 
Back
Top