GM Alternator Wiring

DanStew

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I have a 12SI alternator on the jeep. The bearing is howlnig on it, it works, but howling. I had a buddy give me antoher GM alternator. I thought it was a 10SI, but the wiring plug on it, is differnt than what is shown on this website
http://www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/delcoremy.shtml

Here is my old alternator
alternator1.jpg


Here is the new one
alternator2.jpg


Definately a differnt plug. If somebody knows what the wiring is to the new plug, i can get it back into the jeep and have it much quieter.

Thanks for any help.
 
from what I can see of the "new" alt, it appears to be a CS-130

http://www.alternatorparts.com/cs130_sbpage1.htm

S-connect this right to the "+" on the Alt. with a ring terminal
F-Not needed
L-Connect to 12V source with a 3-4Watt bulb in the circuit(see web page on CS130 repair)
P-Not used
 
from the site kev linked..
"The use of the "P", "F", and "S" terminals is optional. The "P" terminal is connected to the stator, and may be connected externally to a tachometer or other device. The "F" terminal is connected internally to field positive, and may be used as
a fault indicator. The "S" terminal may be connected externally to a voltage, such as battery voltage, to sense the voltage to be controlled. For complete circuit, reference must be made to the vehicle manufacturer's wiring diagrams."


F - Field - Can be used as the indicator light (light on during crank and fault) Not required
S - Remote Sense (not required) I run on to my distro lug, help if you have a long main run.
L - +12v Ignition switched (energizes internals to start charging) IMHO should NOT be left 'on'
P - Stator/Tach Not required
 
I guess you psoted right before my last post. OK, looks like i will have to run a switched wire. On my other alternator i had the jumper from constant battery power to the terminal on the side.
 
General information on "CS130" alternators;

The one I used (and what I recommend) is the 105 amp version due to it's physical size being similar to the original alternator. As a result, you can use more commonly available brackets. The typical SI alternator is only good for 63 amps and that is at a higher RPM than what the CS's need. In other words, at idle, the CS is putting out, where as the SI is just spinning.

All of the CS alternators come with serpentine belt pulleys! You will have to swap on a stock V-belt pulley and fan.

The flange for the tensioning bolt is tapped for a metric bolt. The bolt is 8mm and the thread pitch is 1.25 mm. You have to make sure that you get the correct pitch due to 8mm with 1.00mm pitch also being real common. Now you have to get one of those dang metric 13mm wrenches.

Most of the connectors for the "CS" alternators are four wire. Don't worry!! You will only use two of them and the wiring is the same as the "SI" above!

In doing research for the update, I went to Autozone to get part numbers and a "source" car. That's not to say that the same alternator isn't on another car, it just means that I'm not willing to spend the time researching a complete source guide! The part numbers listed are for alternators made by "Duralast".

The breakdown of the numbers may help you out, if in a pinch!

If we break down the code "DLG1345-6-7"; The "5" is the bracket flange attachments. The "6" is the groove count of the pulley. Now this really doesn't matter due to the fact that we are going to have to replace the pulley!!!! The "7" is the phasing of the back cover. You can always remove the three bolts and rotate the rear body if you have to!!!!

On the connector that I got, there were four wires and the body of the connector had identification letters. Here are the id letters and the color wires (don't count on the colors to be the same as what you get).

"S", this was a heavy gauge, red wire.

"F", this was a small gauge, brown wire.

"L", this was a small gauge, brown/red wire.

"P", this was a small gauge, brown/white wire.

The red wire from "S" gets connected back to the output terminal of the alternator just like in the "SI" swap.

The brown/red wire from "L" gets connected to what is shown in the diagram above as the blue wire. It's this wire that comes (indirectly) from the idiot light and it energizes the alternator.

The wires from "F" and "P" are not used!

As an additional note; AC Delco sells a "conversion" wiring loom if you are changing from a "SI" to a "CS" and it is nothing but a few short wires and two connectors. One connector plugs into the existing wiring loom connector that was plugged into the "SI". The other new connector plugs into the "CS". What's real important to note is that there are two different types. One is "non-resistor" and the other has a resistance in it. You want the "non-resistor" one if you are going to keep the idiot light. Use the "resistor" one if you are getting rid of the idiot light. Be sure to read the "notes" section of this page before jumping

from this page: http://www.chevelles.com/techref/tecref14.html

I put a CS144 in my '66 Buick, simple, and very effective for powering both a high power ignition, and big stereo with having the lights dim a night.
 
Easiest way is to get the harness. If you have the idiot light order pn 8077 from partsamerica, stealerships can order them also.

If you have a volt meter with no light, order 8078, it has the required built in resistor.

A lot of people change the connectors, but the harness is plug and play.
 
I got my harness. I do not have a dummy light, i was thinking bout running the 12+ volt "L" to my electric choke since it is connected to the ignition.

Yager you said to wire it directly to the switch 12 volt source. Since the writeups say it needs resistance, what will happen if i do not put a resistor inline with the "L" wire?
 
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