gm TBI home tune

Chuckman

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anybody on here got the equipment to do their own chevy TBI tuning? I will be installing one again soon thats been sitting around and it would be fun to mess with if the $ is not prohibitive. any links to info?
 
yeah I got everytin ya need and I know a few others do also.
Its cheap to set up

winldl is freeware and I have aybe $20 in my cable set up in radio shak connctors.

I have on of links on my home pc (at work curently) but Ih8mud has some good info as does binderbulletin
 
I am intrested in this as well what do you do to the computer to put the new chips in? I am using the 7747 ECM with my tbi
 
yeah I got everytin ya need and I know a few others do also.
Its cheap to set up
winldl is freeware and I have aybe $20 in my cable set up in radio shak connctors.
I have on of links on my home pc (at work curently) but Ih8mud has some good info as does binderbulletin

I'm using a homemade RS cable ($10) & WINALDL myself. ALL my tuning assistance (the actual "custom" binaries) came from binderplanet.com. It's super simple IF you pay attention & do it right the first time... deviating from paying attention (too many :beer: during the install) or half-assing (butchering the harness, using crimp connectors, etc) will repay future headaches/frustrations in spades! :lol:



I am intrested in this as well what do you do to the computer to put the new chips in? I am using the 7747 ECM with my tbi

The answer here is multifold...
  • *IF* you plan to reuse the OEM chips, you'll need a UV eraser & compatible burner (getting rare), but there are several folks around that can do it for you (M-A FI near Charlotte). I initially went this route, but got tired of prying the chips from the carrier (also used to keep them seated)... a PITA to me.
  • *IF* you mean the cheaper/larger capacity 27SFxxx EEPROMs (I used the 512's) that allow room for stacking tunes... You'll need to mod the ECM socket. I soldered in a ZIF socket ($10 + 2 hours time), but there are cheaper/simpler options. Additional work is needed for tune stacking/selector switch and then you can use something similar to a Moates BURN2 to erase & write the new "adjusted" binaries to those chips. This is where I ended up... since I planned to do multiple TBI swaps, it made sense to mod the ECMs for quick chip swapping & purchase my own burner. Or you can spend more $$ for features like Moates Auto-Tune or one of the "realtime" ECM mods that exist

Still one of the best things I've done to the Moss
 
When you guys say you want to tune you should be more specific about what exactly you want to accomplish. If you just want to dial it in better after installing a new exhaust or upping fuel pressure that stuff is relatively easy... Any vehicle can see some improvements by simply dialing in the stock tune to the specifics of the engine.

7747 is relatively easy to tune using the winaldl logs. And its easy to do some quick bin hacks. I use a Moates Autoprom and its much easier as you make the changes and its updated real time, when you get something you like burn a chip. (also using EEproms).

Some other good basic stuff to do:
Set base timing 4deg and set on chip
Check and set fuel pressure or up a little ~12 or simply tell the chip exactly where its at on your rig.
Turn off/dissable specific codes. (EGR)
Set idle (i had my small block at 550rpm)

Personally I like to leave the knock sensor working and turn with it. But 4x4s are inherently clunky and noisy and can make it harder to do.

All this said. Spend $ and start off your tuning efforts with NEW sensors and new plugs/wires/cap rotor etc... Temp sensor, EGR if you keep it, TPS, keep your other ones as spares. This will let you tune to good sensors vs your tune correcting against slightly off sensors.

You can rough in most stock ish tunes to 80-90% in a few hours, the rest can take forever.
 
Mine is on a stock 454. How far will the 7747 allow me to go with a cam before I run out of space in the tables? It runs ok now (I have no idea what cam is in it but its not a stock tbi cam) The biggest problem that I have is the Engine temp is to cool and it keeps putting it into warmup enrich and bumping up my idle. That should be an easy tweek but I am thinking about some more compression and a cam swap
 
Honestly IMHO with a 454, more compression/cam you should get into the faster 94-95 PCMs. They have larger tables with more granularity/definition. The biggest problem (especially on the 454) is running into injector pulse width issues, where the injectors are almost wide open to supply enough fuel.

On my old 95' chevy w/ TBI GM actually upped fuel pressure to 30ish, and used smaller 4.3 sized injectors. The higher pressure and smaller injector allowed for finer control (again with faster PCM).

I did some tuning on my old jeep where I swapped on TBI off a 305 onto an older carbed 307. I had to rough in the lower areas and it ran a liitle rich until it was warmed up. But honestly it there was still some HP left behind because I didn't spend enough time with it.

Best thing would be to get a wide band and work with that. Maybe get some dyno time. A few runs with a wide band should help you get a good time regardless of what you've done to the motor...

just my .02...
 
Got any info on upgrading the PCM? Is there an upgrade where I can program without taking the chips in and out (in a factory app. I have read about DynamicEFI looks to be a good alternative too).
 
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