HOA dues collection

I don't really understand why they can't disclose the nonpayers. The county publishes people's names in the paper that are behind on their taxes. HOA dues are basically a tax correct?
 
drkelly said:
LOL!
I like Chip's idea of putting a sign out in the front yard.
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When I work in a garage we put up a dedbeat list of nonpayers and bad checks on the back of the door.Their was no way to miss it when goin thru that door. Several got pissed over it but almost all of em paid,so public humiliation does work.Wouldn't a big sign in your yard violate the HOA rules as well????
 
I work with the DOT on this all the time. The road needs to be up to state standards. Most newer neighborhoods are required to be built to state standards anyways to meet the city/county rules. After that all you need to do is get a petition to the state to take over the road. You catch is that it needs to be 75% built out before they take it over. this means if there is 20 lots then at least 15 need to be completed. This does not necessary mean people living in them just completed built homes. With the way the economy has been around here at least, there are several neighborhoods that have just a few homes in them and want the state to take them over but no luck.

Now with the HOA. They are by far one the biggest mistakes you can have. What a scan. I will never live in a neighborhood with one again. like what’s mention there are so many little infraction that do not get enforced and then you have people on the boards that are on power trips and so much other bs. I lived in one where the house I lived in was PAID in full before moving in. It bothered me that people that did not even owned there homes was trying to tell me what to do with my vehicles and with the home. Nothing we was doing was wrong in a normal logical world, but people that moved in from out of state trying to make it their way ruined it for me. i am glad to be gone from that. Putting up a sign or hanging on from a mailbox would be a good touch. It will be just like one of those charts in elementary school where you get a gold star for peeing the toilet. Good luck with it.
 
ALL HOA'S SUCK ASS!!!! You are paying people to tell you what you can and can't do with the land YOU are paying the mortgage on!! We went through this in Raleigh. Total fiasco over the neighborhood pool. It went totally unmaintained for over a year, grew moss and mold and was a horrible deal for the whole neighborhood. I told my real estate agent when she started looking for a new home for me that under NO circumstances would I even LOOK at a home that had an HOA. In my eyes, they completely devalue a home in every way. A home with an HOA is worthless to me.

To the OP, good luck ever getting the money from them. Put a lien on the home and continue to add to it. The home won't be able to be sold until it's paid in full. Don't worry about foreclosing, that will be a losing deal for the HOA. Just leave it at the lien. It'll take years (until the house is sold) but the HOA will eventually get it's money.
 
The wife suggests taking them to small claims court.
 
While I agree the bill should be paid, but if I were in a place and everyone there wasn't within compliance, and they tried to tighten the screws on me, I'd be pissed. How are they any worse for not paying the dues than having too many rigs (operable or inoperable) in the driveway? How are their violations any worse than anything else the neighbors seem to overlook that doesn't comply with the HOA rules? Why should they pay for something that isn't being supported or enforced in all aspects?
 
UTfball68 said:
While I agree the bill should be paid, but if I were in a place and everyone there wasn't within compliance, and they tried to tighten the screws on me, I'd be pissed. How are they any worse for not paying the dues than having too many rigs (operable or inoperable) in the driveway? How are their violations any worse than anything else the neighbors seem to overlook that doesn't comply with the HOA rules? Why should they pay for something that isn't being supported or enforced in all aspects?
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You are not gonna pay your bill because your neighbor's trash cans are visible from the street? Well speak the fuck up...no one knows why the 4 properties in my 'hood (5th one bailed, let the bank repo) are delinqurent in their account, and the 3 board members refuse to give names.

This thread kind of diverted to the standard HOA bashing, my intent was only on bill collection and the rights to privacy of the non-payers. As far as HOA's go, the one I live in now is very lenient and laid back, technically there are non-compliances everywhere, but no one gives a shit. I ask my nearby neighbors if they're OK with my junk, they say just don't report my boat, trailer, etc. (one did say I shouldn't have 666 painted on the side of my jeep, I think he was being serious :lol:)
 
... Nominate yourself for the board... then YOU will be in the know!

(I like the idea of the 2011 PAID stickers for the complying Home Owners, put em on your mailbox pole.)

IF the HOA is running out of cash (because of the missing funds) they DO need to go ahead and bump up ALL of your dues so they have enough in reserves to cover the lights etc even when everyone is not compliant.

10% non-compliance is about right.. and the $75 letter / collections / etc is the proper path for them to follow. It will eventually get tagged onto the house and if/when anyone ever buys it, THEY will have to clear up the o/s debts (at closing usually)
 
RenegadeT said:
You are not gonna pay your bill because your neighbor's trash cans are visible from the street? Well speak the fuck up...no one knows why the 4 properties in my 'hood (5th one bailed, let the bank repo) are delinqurent in their account, and the 3 board members refuse to give names.
This thread kind of diverted to the standard HOA bashing, my intent was only on bill collection and the rights to privacy of the non-payers. As far as HOA's go, the one I live in now is very lenient and laid back, technically there are non-compliances everywhere, but no one gives a shit. I ask my nearby neighbors if they're OK with my junk, they say just don't report my boat, trailer, etc. (one did say I shouldn't have 666 painted on the side of my jeep, I think he was being serious :lol:)
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I agree 100%, if you're not gonna pay your fees, have the balls to say why. However, I don't see how their non-compliance to pay is any different than any other offense.

But out of curiousity, if they did come forward and say they weren't paying based on the fact that the HOA is a joke and some folks ignore it anyway, would that be enough?
 
UTfball68 said:
However, I don't see how their non-compliance to pay is any different than any other offense.
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I disagree. It is completely different in my mind to leave trash cans sitting at the road than it is to not pay your dues. The money is needed to keep up the common property, lights etc.
 
^^^So because it's monetarily related, and leaves someone on the hook for the bill, instead of just a potential eyesore, it's different? I can understand that to an extent. IMO, breaking a rule is still breaking a rule. It's either all or nothing, don't be hypocritical and pick and choose what rules you want to follow. The service and protection the HOA is supposed to offer isn't being upheld. I don't know many of us that would pay for a service that we don't receive. That's like bringing me your taxes, I don't do them, but I'm still expecting full payment due to my overhead (and yes I do know there are fees for even looking over documents, not my point)...I don't know of anyone that would pay me for that, and if you do, send them my way.
 
UTfball68 said:
...But out of curiousity, if they did come forward and say they weren't paying based on the fact that the HOA is a joke and some folks ignore it anyway, would that be enough?
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NO! they, just like me, knew all about the HOA before they moved in, its written in the deed to every house. If they don't like it, they shouldn't have moved in, or now they should stand up and try to change it.

most of us agree, the HOA is there so the one offbeat neighbor doesnt roll up a trailer behind their house and let cousin Eddie move in. There will be some legal authority behind all 27 other neighbors who don't think this is appropriate. For the most part, we're all pretty cool about "minor" non-compliances, this is not one of those HOA's you read about (knock on wood, it just takes one person to fawk that up). The builder wrote the HOA with some "standard" verbage, not too many people want to put any legwork in to change that. One very motivated person actually did walk around a petition to modify the covenants to every neighbor that allowed boats to be parked anywhere up to I think 5 days.
My wife attended the latest meeting, along with about 10 other neighbors. Her proposal to disband the HOA and shut the lights off went over about as well as cousin Eddie's trailer...everyone seems to enjoy the streetlights.
 
UTfball68 said:
^^^So because it's monetarily related, and leaves someone on the hook for the bill, instead of just a potential eyesore, it's different?
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Yes.
 
UTfball68 said:
IMO, breaking a rule is still breaking a rule. It's either all or nothing, don't be hypocritical and pick and choose what rules you want to follow.
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Spoken like a good sheeple.

I disagree completely.
I mean Jews in the oven was a rule, hell a law even...blacks get in the back of the bus and women keep your mouth shut no voting for you (come to think of it we may have had this one right..)

Ok I just reduced that to the absurd...I get it.

But to me if I agree with the HOA as a whole but disagree with 1 law of 72..that is entirely different than refusing to pay and leaving the other 27 on the hook for my portion of the expense.

1 is civil disobedience...sort of. The other is being a bum, a dredge on society, a handout-looking-for baby...

Basically Tony is a Republican his neighbor is a Democrat.

Come to think of it, how many neighbors had Obama signs in their yard....wouldn't be 5 would it?
 
Ron said:
Spoken like a good sheeple.
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Not so much, there's a right way and a wrong way about handling things. It's called tact and disgression. If you disagree with something doesn't just mean you can ignore it. There are plenty of ways to fight something you disagree with, without being an anarchist. Sure it may be cool to be a rebel and break the rules because you think you're above the law, but in this case, you're not dealing with female suffrage or any other kind of social injustice, you're dealing with $135 and what sounds to me like a neighborhood with several people who aren't abiding by the HOA guidelines.

That said, I've said the whole time, fee should be paid. If the owners have a reason for non-payment, nut up and say something. Beyond that, compliance is compliance in my eyes. The only difference I see here, is one violation involves money and the potential others do not. In reality though, they do involve money when it comes to property values. So what's worse, non-payment of the $135 fee or eyesores potentially dropping property values thousands of dollars.
 
RenegadeT said:
NO! they, just like me, knew all about the HOA before they moved in, its written in the deed to every house. If they don't like it, they shouldn't have moved in, or now they should stand up and try to change it.
most of us agree, the HOA is there so the one offbeat neighbor doesnt roll up a trailer behind their house and let cousin Eddie move in. There will be some legal authority behind all 27 other neighbors who don't think this is appropriate. For the most part, we're all pretty cool about "minor" non-compliances, this is not one of those HOA's you read about (knock on wood, it just takes one person to fawk that up). The builder wrote the HOA with some "standard" verbage, not too many people want to put any legwork in to change that. One very motivated person actually did walk around a petition to modify the covenants to every neighbor that allowed boats to be parked anywhere up to I think 5 days.
My wife attended the latest meeting, along with about 10 other neighbors. Her proposal to disband the HOA and shut the lights off went over about as well as cousin Eddie's trailer...everyone seems to enjoy the streetlights.
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Yep. Everyone that buys a house in a HOA neighborhood is fully aware of it when they buy. If not, they need to fire their attorney and real estate agent!

When you buy, you agree to abide by the rules already established. Don't like them, then don't buy in the neighborhood. I'm on our HOA Board and I see it all the time, people are pissed at what they can and can't do. They feel they have the right to do whatever because its theirs. Problem is, they have no capacity to see that when they pant their shutters pink and park their crappy motothome in the front yard that the value of MY house is affected. So, the HOA is there to protect all of the homes' values. And, it can be changed with votes, etc.


A couple years ago we had a group of homeowners that wanted to put up a privacy fence since their house was bordering the road. There is a berm with bushes and trees already in place. Their idea was crap as the fence they wanted to use (each homowner wanted different fences, etc...) wouldn't match or be consistent with the neighborhood fence. They were upset at the hoops they had to jump thru to get a fence up on the community berm which borders the main entrance of the neighborhood. Most of it was asthetic, but we generally didn't have a problem with it. After that, 2 of the owners are now on the Board and they fully see why we had them go through that process and are fully appreciative of our extended efforts to protect the value of all of our homes.

Are HOAs bad? Not entirely. Are they a PITA, they can be, especially for neighborhoods that are very strict...

We have a vacation condo in N Myrtle and have had it since it was built. the HOA there is a PITA. They always get on my father when he visits with his Harley as they don't allow motorcycles. We are there maybe 3 weekends a year. We bring the boat too, which isnt' allowed, so that really pisses them off. But, its only there for like 2 days out of the year, so they bear it but keep saying we are going to get fined... Oh well, we knew the rules beforehand and still do, we just pick our battles and so do they...
 
You could be like my non-HOA 19 house dead end street sub/neighborhood. Neigbor next to me had 7 cars in his back yard. Down to 3 now after I offered to help him cash in on the scrap metal. Parks their cars on the now dirt front lawn. Parks 4-6 cars on the street at all times. Has an unknown number of adult kids who still live at home and have thier baby momma and various kids stay over all the time or just stop over to do laundry etc.. We have a simple 2 page covenant to address not raising farm animals, living in shed, no mobile homes etc... We're planting various mixture of 'wall' trees down the property line.
 
Sounds like some of you need to be thinking of moving. If your community is ok with letting the road turn to crap over the next decade or two you're better off getting out now than letting it start to turn bad and then trying to sell.
 
yager said:
You could be like my non-HOA 19 house dead end street sub/neighborhood. Neigbor next to me had 7 cars in his back yard. Down to 3 now after I offered to help him cash in on the scrap metal. Parks their cars on the now dirt front lawn. Parks 4-6 cars on the street at all times. Has an unknown number of adult kids who still live at home and have thier baby momma and various kids stay over all the time or just stop over to do laundry etc..
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Uhhhhhh,we call that the ghetto round here.:popcorn:
 
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