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I think the delta is pretty significant to the conversation.

If we areally talking about comparing 40k to 70k....then you take 70k. Live like you make 40. Work there 3 years. And you have 2 years of income set aside to start your own gig.

If we are taking 60k-70k... then it's a much tougher choice.

And I'm just using numbers to make a point. If it's halfed or doubled or tripled it all remains relevent.
 
Ron said:
I think the delta is pretty significant to the conversation.

If we areally talking about comparing 40k to 70k....then you take 70k. Live like you make 40. Work there 3 years. And you have 2 years of income set aside to start your own gig.

If we are taking 60k-70k... then it's a much tougher choice.

And I'm just using numbers to make a point. If it's halfed or doubled or tripled it all remains relevent.
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And that is something I've thought about but probably won't have a definite answer on for several months. I know the smaller company will offer less but how much less. I know this isn't the best way to approach this but I plan on breaking the salery down into hourly and see how the two stack up

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I'd go Job A. It sounds like more opportunities to learn and grow, which is what you want. It will make you more marketable later if you decide you want to change companies or careers. The more experience you have the better. You're too young to think short term.
Plus personally I think commercial construction will lead to more opportunities throughout your life / career.

I will give you this though. Don't go into it thinking you should be a PM in a year. Our recent grads we've hired have all acted like they should be promoted immediately because they have a diploma. That attitude will not get you far.
You're going to have to suck it up and do the new hire / grunt work. Your attitude while doing it will speak volumes.
 
orange150 said:
I will give you this though. Don't go into it thinking you should be a PM in a year. Our recent grads we've hired have all acted like they should be promoted immediately because they have a diploma. That attitude will not get you far.
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An entire generation of special flowers (or delicate flowers, pick your wording) would disagree with you. I've read some hilarious articles about that over the last few years. Kids now seem to feel they're entitled to a raise/promotion just for showing up sober and performing their basic job function.
 
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I'd go Job A. It sounds like more opportunities to learn and grow, which is what you want. It will make you more marketable later if you decide you want to change companies or careers. The more experience you have the better. You're too young to think short term.
Plus personally I think commercial construction will lead to more opportunities throughout your life / career.

I will give you this though. Don't go into it thinking you should be a PM in a year. Our recent grads we've hired have all acted like they should be promoted immediately because they have a diploma. That attitude will not get you far.
You're going to have to suck it up and do the new hire / grunt work. Your attitude while doing it will speak volumes.
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I understand I'm older than most people graduating. And I've realized that most of the people I'm in class with are idiots. Most have never looked at plans or been on a job site.

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I personally enjoy being very busy, working dusk till dawn, and seeing something physically being accomplished. That being said I recently have changed from an A job to a B job. Since I still like to be busy and now have extra time I have started a small furniture building business on the side. This has allowed me to be busy and work all day for some extra money when I want but slow down and enjoy some down time when I choose. I have only been working the B job for one year and I swear I have done more things I enjoy in the past year than in the prior 5.
 
I work easily 50-60 hrs a week. You know during Christmas I was puling 16 hr days on and through Christmas and damn near into the New Year. You fortunately have a profession with options. I'm somewhat pigeonholed with my profession. I'd pick Job B because (at least in my line of work) the position is what will help carry you higher. Which sounds better, "I was a foreman on the job" or "I was lead chrome remover for a cast of thousands". Yeah it may be less pay in the short run but the next step you take in your career should be at a minimum a lateral entry job with better money and benefits. If you take the lower job with more pay it will be more difficult to take a larger step up the ladder. you owe me money.
 
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I work easily 50-60 hrs a week. You know during Christmas I was puling 16 hr days on and through Christmas and damn near into the New Year. You fortunately have a profession with options. I'm somewhat pigeonholed with my profession. I'd pick Job B because (at least in my line of work) the position is what will help carry you higher. Which sounds better, "I was a foreman on the job" or "I was lead chrome remover for a cast of thousands". Yeah it may be less pay in the short run but the next step you take in your career should be at a minimum a lateral entry job with better money and benefits. If you take the lower job with more pay it will be more difficult to take a larger step up the ladder. you owe me money.
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Yep let's go to the flats this weekend and I'll pay you your money

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This might have already been mentioned but most of the time it always seems to me like you are going to work more than they tell you up front. I mean hell they're paying you for X and working you XX for the same $$. But all that aside, what if something happens a few years from now and you can't work job A? At least you made the $$$ while you could and once you get to where you want to be maybe step down to job B. Just remember to live within your means, I work with so many guys who have to have the newest,best,baddest everything but can't eat a $10 lunch. And we make right much above average for the area we live in. You can get by on what you make if you want to.
 
Well I'm gonna bring this up to date. After working for company A for a short time it was pretty apparent that I wasn't welcome on the two jobs I worked on and seen as an outsider. I'm not talking about doing shit work. I would be completely ignored. Or sent to check something and when I came back into the trailer the super and assistants would have already left to go to lunch.

Talked with company B told what I wanted and they agreed to it so I'll be back there shortly

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jeepinmatt said:
Sounds like its time to find job C
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This...you want to be some place where all parties are happy. I don't know about you...but I always enjoy my job the most when my talents are being utilized, salary is where I want it to be, there are more goals to achieve (ie promotions) and a good work/life balance. That said...it's always easier to find a job when you have a job, and there will be a time period where you just have to grind and gut it out until you hit a level you're comfortable with.
 
Loganwayne said:
Well I'm gonna bring this up to date. After working for company A for a short time it was pretty apparent that I wasn't welcome on the two jobs I worked on and seen as an outsider. I'm not talking about doing shit work. I would be completely ignored. Or sent to check something and when I came back into the trailer the super and assistants would have already left to go to lunch.

Talked with company B told what I wanted and they agreed to it so I'll be back there shortly

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So you got your feelings hurt because no one included you in their game of grab ass so you took your ball and went home. Is that a correct assessment?
 
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