hydro assist

userbmx1315

builds more then wheels
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Feb 8, 2008
Location
Bessemer City, NC
going to be doing a hydro assist set up when i get my full width in.
this will going on my cherokee
what kit did everyone go with?
is there a place to get a ram? i think i can get the hoses made at work.

pics would be great
 
Here is my write-up of my hydro assist. part 1

OK all. Some of you know I have been working on my hydro assist. I’ll get to that. Also many people have asked me about my OTK (Over The Knuckle) steering. It is not a true high steer, but a less expensive alternative. This will net you approximately 3” of clearance at the tie rod. First off this is on a HPD44. I ran 2 years with no assist. I had a DOM Drag link and a solid stock tie rod. The solid stock tie rod took a beating and did end up bending. I have had zero failures. Here is a pic.

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I used the typical 1 Ton steering parts. I got the TRW ones from Advance Auto and these numbers can be cross referenced at any parts store.

Here are the part numbers for the steering ends.

ES2234R (you need 2 of these) - 28.99 ea
ES2027L (one needed) - 27.99
ES2233L (one needed) - 33.99

Just so you know there is a difference between the drag link end and a tie rod end. ES2027L is a drag link end. It allows for a larger angle to be achieved.

ES2027L is the passenger tie rod end. This is originally designed for a chevy under the knuckle and the hole is drilled to a smaller taper for the wrong direction. The hole is for the steering stabilizer on a chevy. So this needs reamed from the opposite direction to accept the tie rod end. There is plenty of material to support this.

Here is what the rod ends look like. Yes I know there are no cotter pins on the castle nuts and the jam nuts need tightened, I still need to do an alignment.

Passenger side knuckle

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Driver side knuckle

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Pitman arm

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My new tie rod is 1.25 .335 4130 DOM. Drilled and tapped to accept the 7/8” x 18 thread of the tie rod ends. This way there are no welds to fail.

You can go to regular DOM and weld in bungs if you want something less expensive.

The knuckles and pitman arm will also have to the reamed. The knuckles from the top down to go OTK and the pitman arm to accept the larger drag link end.

Due to me using a D44 I had to go to a longer pitman arm to match the length of the knuckle. I chose a ford drop pitman arm. Rough Country part number RC6602. It provides a 1” drop over the stock xj.

All in all I am very happy with this set up.
 
Part 2

I ordered this cooler from Summit

http://store.summitracing.com/partd...3818&N=700+4294924500+400226+115&autoview=sku

I have a yj box drilled and tapped for 3/8" NPT

I have the inner frame plated.

I have this Tie Rod Bracket.

http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/OD-Tube-Clamp_p_21-1474.html

I did the West Texas Pump Mod.

http://westtexasoffroad.homestead.com/powersteering.html

I have this cylinder.

http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2007040810283306&item=9-4410-08&catname=hydraulic

SPECIFICATIONS
Double Acting
Bore/Stroke 1 1/2" x 8"
2,000 PSI max
Rod dia 3/4"

Ports 3/8" NPT
Retracted Length 13 1/2"
Shpg. 10 lbs.

END MOUNTINGS
Rod End Crosstube
Pin hole 3/4"
1-1/4" cross-tube width

Base End Crosstube
Pin hole 3/4"
2" cross-tube width

I will also need to do an internal stop on the cylinder for 7 1/8" travel. Some say this isn’t necessary due to the box having an internal relief when it hits the internal stops. However I have my knuckle stops hitting before the box reaches the internal stops, so if I kept turning with the assist I’d push my knuckles right off the inner-c’s eventually as the ball joints can only take so much. So I took the cylinder apart and added this metal sleeve.

Before

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After

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Also why we are on the cylinder as this axle is very tight I needed to rotate the fixed end 90 deg so I could have the hoses coming out of the top of the cylinder. I had to cut it off and re-weld it on.

Started like this.

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90 deg rotated

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Lastly on the cylinder I didn’t want to use a ¾” bolt so I sleeved the ends with bronze down to ½”

Here is a pic of the frame plating ¼”.

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New box bolted in.

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Axle brackets welded on.

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Cooler installed. I put it on the passenger side as it is the side with the mechanical fan and will be pulling air constantly.

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The cooler is plumbed off the return line from the box to the top fitting on the cooler. The lower fitting goes to the reservoir on the pump.

I went to the local Parker store for the hose and ends. I may have gone a little overkill on these, but the hose is 4700lb hose reinforced with 3 layers of wire mesh. I had to cut it with a chop saw. I also used reusable ends. As a result if I have a broken line on the trail I can take out my spare line and put the ends on and call it good.

I prefilled everything I could with fluid. This would make bleeding much easier. As for fluid I have heard many things work well, but all agree that Amsoil Synthetic Power Steering Fluid works the best. Some problems are that most people go through growing pains when they first install the hydro assist and have to replace the fluid a couple times and that you can’t get it on the trail or at a part store. Well I bit the bullet and bought a case of it. This way I’ll carry my own and have enough to redo it a couple of times.

Bleeding procedure taken from here.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/PR-Hydro_Steering/index3.html
Once you have everything installed and plumbed, it's time to fill and bleed. The procedure I discovered works well is:
1. Fill reservoir to just over tip of column
2. Raise front tires off ground to remove resistance
3. Turn steering wheel lock-to-lock while constantly checking the reservoir for air bubbles and level drop. Top us as necessary - be careful not to over-fill. When no more air appears to bubble out and the level remains constant, go to step 4
4. Check fluid level in reservoir, disconnect coil wire, and crank engine over to operate pump and flow fluid through entire circuit. Crank in short bursts. When no more air appears to bubble out and the level remains constant, go to step 5
5. Re-connect coil wire.
6. Check fluid level in reservoir and start engine. Operate at low rpm's at first, do not turn steering wheel. After a few seconds shut down engine and check reservoir. It will likely look like the pic at left, frothy and full of air bubbles. Allow bubbles to dissipate (can take upwards of an hour) and repeat this step until frothing does not occur.
7. Check fluid level in reservoir and start engine. Operate steering lock-to-lock while constantly checking the reservoir for air bubbles and level drop. Top us as necessary - be careful not to over-fill. When no more air appears to bubble out and the level remains constant, go to step 8
8. Top up reservoir, install reservoir cap, lower front tires to ground.
Here you can see everything installed. You can see how tight the clearances are.

Turned right

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Turned left

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Front shots

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It has worked great for a couple of years. My pump has recently taken a dump so I'm just going to get another stock pump and swap in my valve.
 
thats pretty much what set-up i'm going to have.
yj box
hpd44
1 ton otk
zj pitman arm (1" drop)

how would to much travel in the ram be harmful? wouldnt it stop when i stop turning the wheel?
 
yes the ram will stop when you stop pulling on the wheel but if by chance you ever hold it at full lock it will continue to push on the knuckles and that alone can be pretty hard on the ball joints in that little d44. most hydro cylinders can be disassembled and a stop sleeve installed but if your buying new go ahead and get the correct size.
 
how would to much travel in the ram be harmful? wouldnt it stop when i stop turning the wheel?

yes the ram will stop when you stop pulling on the wheel but if by chance you ever hold it at full lock it will continue to push on the knuckles and that alone can be pretty hard on the ball joints in that little d44. most hydro cylinders can be disassembled and a stop sleeve installed but if your buying new go ahead and get the correct size.

Yeah if you're doing it just do it right. Theorhetically if you keep the wheel and lock it'll keep putting pressure on the cylinder. Just put the internal stop in it. It's no big deal. I have mine stoped at about 1/8" shorter than the travel of the tie rod. This way I don't push against my ball joints.

It really took me less than 45 minutes to put the internal stop in.
 
chase. when will you get the ram back in stock?
i already have your steering kit.

they're in route but with holiday sometime next week
 
Looking to do hydro assist soon. Anybody know of any local shops that can do a rebuild and tap on a steering box? I know West Texas Offroad does, just seeing if there are any local shops I can support before I send it to the Redneck Ram people.
 
Just drill and tap it yourself and save a bunch on money. It is easy and there are a lot of write ups on it.
 
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