I am an engineer

I get asked if I am an engineer at work quite often. I tell them that "I went to an engineering school." If I say it fast enough they think they hear "I went to engineering school" NC State is known for being an engineering school, that I went to business school there is just semantics :lol:
 
I am an Engineer, but under a completely different scope of practice than any of y'all are talking about....

Duane
 
There are several architects that I refer to as interior designers. I just went through a 2 week "punch list" because of lack of detail where dissimilar materials met and well the owners and architect just didn't like the way it looked. WTF did you expect!

Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk
78 CJ 5
93 xJ co sponsor
 
I am not an engineer, but sometimes I know more about engineering than some of the Engineers I have worked with .

I can expand on my comment now that I'm not typing on a phone keyboard.

I have done hundreds of church/community projects over the years. Kind of my hobby getting out and doing hands-on stuff. Used to do a lot of volunteer work at the local Scout camp. Been everything from a helper to a crew leader to project leader to planner/organizer/etc. Construction projects, plumbing, dirtwork, electrical, etc...you name it.

Helpers have come from all walks of life. Easiest overall have been folks that work with their hands everyday. Industrial/plant maintenance workers are the best. Usually down to earth folks that know how to do stuff, and know their limits Carpenters, carpenter helpers, contractors aren't that great...mediocre helpers at best...they might know one trade very well (framing), but want to THINK they know everything about every other trade, and usually don't Also quick to jump ahead/jump around rather than keeping to the task at hand. One will supposed to be running trim, you look over, and he's helping the guy wiring outlets or whatever (and trying to tell the licensed electrician the "proper" way to do something).

Worst overall have been engineers, er....Engineers. And there have been quite a few over the years. I find most tend to try to bully their way into taking charge of a project (at least for one workday, they're not good at showing up twice). And although they might be able to do all sorts of calcs, or produce drawings for construction, and write pages of specs, don't always know the simple stuff that goes into construction.

We were putting a shingle roof on a building one time, this one guy, a PE that worked in commercial construction (and he made sure everyone was aware of that), insisted that that little clear plastic strip on the back of an asphalt shingle had to be peeled off. I had run off chasing supplies, and when I came back, he had everybody on the crew peeling strips off. Of course, they are just there to keep the shingles from sticking together in the bundle. He insisted he was right, I handed him a wrapper and told him to read the instructions...and call me when he got to the part about peeling the strip. He sat down, read every word on the wrapper, then got in his car and left. Didn't say a word to anybody.

Another so-called mechanical engineer, tasked with bolting deck beams together, complained that my ratchet wrench was broken. Had to show him the little lever that switches from lefty-loosy to righty-tighty. Sure, OK, you don't work hands on with tools....but with all that education, you ought to be able to figure something like that out.

Did have one architect that helped on projects over a few years. He was great, hands on, could do just about anything. Had built his own house. BUT, I had to sit him down, and explain proper flashing to him. He had evidently skipped class on the day they covered "water goes down and out" and "overlaps go from top to bottom". Had to draw pictures and everything. He had run step flashing backwards, starting at the bottom. Didn't see anything wrong with it.
 
This really is the same as architects and having the "AIA" after their name, like "PE" for engineers.

Nope. A registered architect would be an RA, which is the equivalent of a PE. The AIA is a professional organization that's done a very good job (obv, as this is the second time this week I've explained this) of PR to tie their name to the profession in the eyes of the general public.
 
I've found the better professionals that designs work are the ones that have worked in the field previously. I think it should be a requirement min 1 to 2 years before you are able to get that title.

Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk
78 CJ 5
93 xJ co sponsor
 
I work at pretty good sized company and have found that there are people lacking in all levels of the organization. I have worked with some great Engineers and some who I wonder how they get home from work everyday. Its the same way with every group I deal with. I had this cartoon hanging in my office for a long time. Some people found it funny and some found it offensive.

upload_2019-1-23_7-6-3.png
 
It’s mostly the finance people from what I can tell.

Nailed it! I am in this exact scenario right now. We are at concept decision for a HUGE project. I have a great concept. It is MUCH better than the current design, but it costs more. The situation is such that the current design is absolutely bare bones. It does the job with a low enough failure rate that it stays off the radar, but the majority of people (manufacturing, etc) hate it. Nobody wants to increase the cost to make it better though, and there is no way to improve the system without increasing the cost. This is a very typical situation in that the only way a cost increase is approved is when there are failures that demand a redesign with improvement.
 
What if you drive trains for a living? Can you not claim to be an engineer without being hassled by "the man"?

That being said, my dad was an engineer, and had P.E. behind his signature on everything. (He even put it on our mailbox). As a kid, I didn't understand it, so I thought he was a Phys Ed. Teacher.
 
The AIA is a professional organization that's done a very good job (obv, as this is the second time this week I've explained this) of PR to tie their name to the profession in the eyes of the general public.

They have done a very good job apparently; good to know the real story about the RA license vs. AIA.

Isn't the AIA membership a pretty hotly debated topic among architects (I seem to remember that many architects look down upon non-AIA architects)? What's the deal with that?
 
There are probably more architects who aren't members than are. It's expensive and few firms pay for it and then frequently only for the top (less transient) folks. It's good for people who want to network within the profession because there are committees for things and outreach opportunities. I got lots of unsolicited job offers from people I knew through the AIA when I was involved. :lol:

I can really only speak to my experience with the local AIA, which does offer up educational opportunities to members in the form of helping fund lectures at NCSU, setting up building tours, and providing other continuing education events. Most are free to members and non-members have to pay, depending on the type of event. Architects are required to log so many hours of continuing education per year, but there are plenty of ways to get them.
 
I met a guy once who was a building engineer in nyc. I was asking him how long the project would take, what kind of day to day stuff he was doing, etc. I couldnt figure out why an engineer would be onsite 9-5 and on call 24-7. Then it dawned on me, he was the maintenance man. Still probably a good job just doesnt have the same ring as " Im the chief engineer of xyz tower"
 
Nope. A registered architect would be an RA, which is the equivalent of a PE. The AIA is a professional organization that's done a very good job (obv, as this is the second time this week I've explained this) of PR to tie their name to the profession in the eyes of the general public.

Yep...

Almost as good as Realtor...but thats a whole other topic
 
I can expand on my comment now that I'm not typing on a phone keyboard.

I have done hundreds of church/community projects over the years. Kind of my hobby getting out and doing hands-on stuff. Used to do a lot of volunteer work at the local Scout camp. Been everything from a helper to a crew leader to project leader to planner/organizer/etc. Construction projects, plumbing, dirtwork, electrical, etc...you name it.

Helpers have come from all walks of life. Easiest overall have been folks that work with their hands everyday. Industrial/plant maintenance workers are the best. Usually down to earth folks that know how to do stuff, and know their limits Carpenters, carpenter helpers, contractors aren't that great...mediocre helpers at best...they might know one trade very well (framing), but want to THINK they know everything about every other trade, and usually don't Also quick to jump ahead/jump around rather than keeping to the task at hand. One will supposed to be running trim, you look over, and he's helping the guy wiring outlets or whatever (and trying to tell the licensed electrician the "proper" way to do something).

Worst overall have been engineers, er....Engineers. And there have been quite a few over the years. I find most tend to try to bully their way into taking charge of a project (at least for one workday, they're not good at showing up twice). And although they might be able to do all sorts of calcs, or produce drawings for construction, and write pages of specs, don't always know the simple stuff that goes into construction.

We were putting a shingle roof on a building one time, this one guy, a PE that worked in commercial construction (and he made sure everyone was aware of that), insisted that that little clear plastic strip on the back of an asphalt shingle had to be peeled off. I had run off chasing supplies, and when I came back, he had everybody on the crew peeling strips off. Of course, they are just there to keep the shingles from sticking together in the bundle. He insisted he was right, I handed him a wrapper and told him to read the instructions...and call me when he got to the part about peeling the strip. He sat down, read every word on the wrapper, then got in his car and left. Didn't say a word to anybody.

Another so-called mechanical engineer, tasked with bolting deck beams together, complained that my ratchet wrench was broken. Had to show him the little lever that switches from lefty-loosy to righty-tighty. Sure, OK, you don't work hands on with tools....but with all that education, you ought to be able to figure something like that out.

Did have one architect that helped on projects over a few years. He was great, hands on, could do just about anything. Had built his own house. BUT, I had to sit him down, and explain proper flashing to him. He had evidently skipped class on the day they covered "water goes down and out" and "overlaps go from top to bottom". Had to draw pictures and everything. He had run step flashing backwards, starting at the bottom. Didn't see anything wrong with it.

I agree with everything you said...except I dont understand why that is surprising or even less than ideal.

If it's 3rd and 10 with 1 minute to go in the game do you want Tom Brady and QB or Bill Bellicheck?
I want Bellicheck calling the play and Brady throwing the ball.

In the same manner, knowing how to build, wire, plumb something is nothing like knowing how or why its done what way.

Ive known plenty of great electricians who could run conduit beautifully. Were fast and efficient pulling wire, made perfect terminations. Great Electricians. Now ask them to size a conductor you are going to lose maybe half. Ask them to size an unusual conductor in a non-typical application...youve got very very few.

Same in all trades. Now hand the best engineer you know a shoe bender and a stack of 3/4 EMT and ask him to give you 4 concentric offset 90s. If he can do it at all he will be slow but most will have a pile of scrap.

They are totally different jobs with different skill sets.

Now the step flashing....thats different. Thast just a fail of logic IF I understand what you are saying
 
The problem is, the Engineers (with a capital "E") often want to show up and take charge and run the show and do it their ("the Right" way), even though it's just a different way to do the same thing. And you have plans, materials, etc to do it the 'other' way.

And yes, you did read that right about the flashing. I was wondering if he had a stroke or something that morning, it was so backasswards.
 
Back
Top