I've got about 40 acres in Archdale/Glenola area right off Hwy 311 (when the new bypass is complete it's off that exit) that I was thinking about opening up for OHV use or events. It's got a small stream running through it & a natural free flowing spring. Used to have a swamp about 10 years ago but was filled in. Could probably be opened back up thou. Has flat spots, hills, rocks, etc. My uncles land is right beside mine & the state leveled it out to use the dirt & rocks for building the bypass. Still has some of the big holes they left for drainage. I may be able to talk him into letting me use it also (an extra 17 acres). Any way I'm at work now so I'll post up more info later. Just curious.
Interest in land for OHV use???
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uncc civilengineer
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Are they "waters of the state"..... I'd guess if it's always flowing it is... so, good luck with that and I wouldn't impact it in any way... and maintain at least a 50' buffer around it.... Also, your "swamp" would most likely be classified as a wetland which isn't a positive either..
IMO i'd plan to just enjoy it as is... ride it personally if you like.. but charging and having large amouts of people out there could set you up to have problems with the state...
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are you wanting to lease it to a club or open it to public use?
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I'll take some pics later of the property when I leave work. I'll also look at the contract the state offered us to extract rock/dirt for the bypass. See if it has any thing about buffer zones or codes.
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Not sure yet. Just seeing if there's interest.
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Just some advice.
You will undoubtedly find lots of "interest" here, tons of people will say "Hell yeah".
But what you need to do is really assess teh feasibility of this first.
This topic comes up a lot.
There is actually a really good thread, very similar to this, that has been on-going for several weeks in the same section. Many pages of replies. Find that and read.
You will undoubtedly find lots of "interest" here, tons of people will say "Hell yeah".
But what you need to do is really assess teh feasibility of this first.
This topic comes up a lot.
There is actually a really good thread, very similar to this, that has been on-going for several weeks in the same section. Many pages of replies. Find that and read.
uncc civilengineer
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I just ran it by one of our geologists/bugs/bunnies guys... he pretty much said what I said...
As for borrowing soil/rock that's no big deal. The only issue(s) you would have to deal with in terms of that are (1) Erosion and Sediment control plan if disturbing more than 1-Acre (2) Mining permit but I highly doubt they borrowed that much to build an interchange/overpass (3) 50' stream buffer or more depending on your county/city.
I'm saying IF you plan to drive in the stream (and it's Perennial or always flowing)/wetland..... you're setting yourself up to get fined and have to correct any issues you create. For one the stream is a State Water under the Clean Water Act... two, any offsite erosion will be your responsibility too.
If you're not near the stream and plan to "create" a course then as long as you get the proper permits (if disturbing more than 1 acre - erosion and sediment control permit) and implement it I dont see why you would have a problem from the "environmental" side of things... Land use//zoning or whatever I cant help you..
As for borrowing soil/rock that's no big deal. The only issue(s) you would have to deal with in terms of that are (1) Erosion and Sediment control plan if disturbing more than 1-Acre (2) Mining permit but I highly doubt they borrowed that much to build an interchange/overpass (3) 50' stream buffer or more depending on your county/city.
I'm saying IF you plan to drive in the stream (and it's Perennial or always flowing)/wetland..... you're setting yourself up to get fined and have to correct any issues you create. For one the stream is a State Water under the Clean Water Act... two, any offsite erosion will be your responsibility too.
If you're not near the stream and plan to "create" a course then as long as you get the proper permits (if disturbing more than 1 acre - erosion and sediment control permit) and implement it I dont see why you would have a problem from the "environmental" side of things... Land use//zoning or whatever I cant help you..
Yeah, Blythe is the company that wanted to use the soil. They had a contract & map lay out of they were goin to do/take. But they only want to give $3 a cubic yard for a 15 acre parcel goin 10'-12' down. They came out & dug there little test holes every where. But we didn't take it b/c was unsure how they would actually leave the land. But I plan on doing some more research b/c I would really like a park closer for me & others.
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$3/CY over 15 acres down 10' would equal out to around $726,000... the land may have looked like crap afterwards but you'd have a cool $700,000 in your pocket... could have made the put down 1' topsoil over it and atleast something would grow on it...
Just read you're reply & realized I got the $per cubic yard messed up. They offered $1per & we wouldn't take less than $3. It came to some where around $240K. They were going to level it back out & put the original top soil back down, they were supposed to push 1' of it to the side & reapply it when complete.
Heres some pics I found of the land I had on my phone.
Back corner.
Field run off. Not a stream.
Run off again.
Down in there is where I took the previous two pics.
Going around edge of field.
Pic of where I just came from over that hill.
Pic of my Uncles land where state cleared off.
Another pic of Uncles land.
Way in the back ground is where I took previous pic. You can see my Uncles land up that grade.
Stream on back side of land.
Up this hill leads to middle of the land.
GIS of land. I forgot about the state purchasing a corner for the bypass. My land is 35+ acres not 40. You can see in GIS where bypass took corner.
Back corner.
Field run off. Not a stream.
Run off again.
Down in there is where I took the previous two pics.
Going around edge of field.
Pic of where I just came from over that hill.
Pic of my Uncles land where state cleared off.
Another pic of Uncles land.
Way in the back ground is where I took previous pic. You can see my Uncles land up that grade.
Stream on back side of land.
Up this hill leads to middle of the land.
GIS of land. I forgot about the state purchasing a corner for the bypass. My land is 35+ acres not 40. You can see in GIS where bypass took corner.
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looks like a place for some good ol woods floggin. not much for obsticles there. the mud folks oughta have fun out there on a rainy day.
probably be cool to build a trail for low mod stockers to have fun on.
probably be cool to build a trail for low mod stockers to have fun on.
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down in the woods there, you can make out some hillclimbs and such.
I think JC may meet up with me some time next week to look at what I got. Then maybe I can figure out what direction I'm gonna go in. Hill climb, trail riding, mud bog, grudge pulls, etc... If some body wanted to make a rock garden out of those large drainage pipes that may be a possibility. State may still have some huge boulders they may wanna discard. Like I said earlier I'm just getting a feel of whats possible. I'll figure the rest out as I go (hopefully) & with some peoples help/input on here.
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If you end up leaning toward doing trail riding you have your work cut out for you. Considering you have most open field you will have to dig out the trails into the terrain. As in dig a couple feet down to create a trail to follow, and use the dirt that was dug out to create hill climbs and other obstacles. Other wise if you just set up trails on top of the terrain its an open field, there is nothing confining the vehicles to the trails. It will take a little creativity but its doable with enough time/work.
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ALSO FYI Field Drain is considered an ephemeral stream by the sstate....just an FYI
When we built the pond at my grandads place they told us mud puddles were ponds and ditches were rivers, lol.
It was a learning experience.
When we built the pond at my grandads place they told us mud puddles were ponds and ditches were rivers, lol.
It was a learning experience.
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from that I see that is a waters of the state and is subject to water quality standards.
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very cool, got a dozer? Make some interesting obstacles.
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still moving forward with this?
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He PM'd me today about using the land in the future as a meet and greet location. So I figure so, not sure what his actual intentions or goals are for the property, but anxious to see where he goes with it
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The Bypass will most likely have a planted buffer requirement along it, probably 40-50 feet according to the manicipality. That's the norm for most the work I've seen along main roads. Hate to agree with the negatives you're getting but I see it daily being a civil designer.
Trouble these days is the state of NC along with the manicipalities have added so much red tape over the years, it's going to come to a point where no one in NC can get anything done. It's slowly coming to a gridlock. There's so much say so to what you can do with your own land and the erosion control requirements are getting way out of hand. What used to take 6-8 months for approval is now lingering for years. Then there's the adjoiners say-so if there's any houses around it.
35 acres is tuff to develop with these issues. A person would have more luck with about 10 times that much land. But then comes the dime vs. dollar effect because 350 acres in NC is worth alot of money.
NC is becoming a money hungry communist state in my opinion. I just went through Durham's BS, tried to fight it and lost. Now I'm battling the state over other issues. And all came down over a neighbor reporting me over a fence violation - not being built to Durham spec - for them to come in and check me out under a microscope. And I just bought the place so everything besides the fence was inherited.
Of course I fixed my nicely built / fully painted fence to look like total hell with no rhyme in color for I just turned the picket groups around and the contour is now stair stepped and jacked up in the air in places with cut and paste boards throughout to fill the gaps. My neighbor is pissed as hell that it looks much worse now but guess what... It's now built to Durham spec.
And my neighbor has inherited an asshole. Yours truely!
Life is MUCH more interesting!
It's good to do your homework before you do anything now days around here. Every manicipality has a completely different set of rules. All it takes is a drop in to the local planning department with your plan in hand to see what you're up against. Although the streams and wetlands is a NC DWQ issue and pretty much the same across the board from the beach to the mountains. And if you go ahead with plan and beg for forgiveness later, the consequences are double fines and fees with more stringencies.
B.T.W. that one stream looks like it is being disturbed already by someone upstream. You could stir some serious shit with a phone call to NCDENR.
Good luck!
Trouble these days is the state of NC along with the manicipalities have added so much red tape over the years, it's going to come to a point where no one in NC can get anything done. It's slowly coming to a gridlock. There's so much say so to what you can do with your own land and the erosion control requirements are getting way out of hand. What used to take 6-8 months for approval is now lingering for years. Then there's the adjoiners say-so if there's any houses around it.
35 acres is tuff to develop with these issues. A person would have more luck with about 10 times that much land. But then comes the dime vs. dollar effect because 350 acres in NC is worth alot of money.
NC is becoming a money hungry communist state in my opinion. I just went through Durham's BS, tried to fight it and lost. Now I'm battling the state over other issues. And all came down over a neighbor reporting me over a fence violation - not being built to Durham spec - for them to come in and check me out under a microscope. And I just bought the place so everything besides the fence was inherited.
Of course I fixed my nicely built / fully painted fence to look like total hell with no rhyme in color for I just turned the picket groups around and the contour is now stair stepped and jacked up in the air in places with cut and paste boards throughout to fill the gaps. My neighbor is pissed as hell that it looks much worse now but guess what... It's now built to Durham spec.
And my neighbor has inherited an asshole. Yours truely! Life is MUCH more interesting!It's good to do your homework before you do anything now days around here. Every manicipality has a completely different set of rules. All it takes is a drop in to the local planning department with your plan in hand to see what you're up against. Although the streams and wetlands is a NC DWQ issue and pretty much the same across the board from the beach to the mountains. And if you go ahead with plan and beg for forgiveness later, the consequences are double fines and fees with more stringencies.
B.T.W. that one stream looks like it is being disturbed already by someone upstream. You could stir some serious shit with a phone call to NCDENR.
Good luck!