Jay Cutler/Mr O sat night

BRUISER said:
Wait till he is 60.. sucks to be him :)
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saf-t scissors said:
Okay, so based on your numbers, he weighs 35 or 40# more than Schwartzenegger at competition weight, while being 5" shorter.
These guys are doing a lot more drugs and getting a *lot* bigger than body builders "back in the day". Most of those old school guys are dead or dying of heart problems.
Let's not kid ourselves -- body building isn't a sport. Sports involve athletic ability, agility, teamwork, things like that.
This guy just won a couple of beauty pageants.
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Not a sport, won a couple of beauty pageants, 1st off being good at any sport takes training, his training is unbelievable, being all muscle with a low body fat% is not and easy job, and yes steriods do alot, but you can't just get on the juice and sit around and eat donuts and drink diet coke and get big, you have to train your butt off and eat almost perfect and take in 2 or 3 times the protein, it takes serious disipline to be in that kind of shape, anykind of decent shape for that matter. Just curious do you think nascar drivers are athletic?
 
central09er said:
yea hes deff. on the roids no one can physically be that big and be natural. for instance julius peppers is 6'7" and weighs 283. so put them side to side peppers is a huge guy no fat. jay cutler is 5'9" 274 contest weight 310 off season weight. i personally think its taking it overboard he looks fat
a guy i graduated with won the teens division at that competion
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For what its worth, yes some people can be that big without steroids, honestly they have cleaned it up a bit in the last few years. Go back to the mid 90s....look at Mr O then....you will see 350+ lb sub 6' common.

Now is Cut, yeah I am almost 100% sure because he spends a ton of time away from the gym.

Also dont forget there are different exercises for different results. Often times body builders are not nearly as strong as say a strong man competitor but look much more ripped.


mahaffey380 said:
Just curious do you think nascar drivers are athletic?
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I think they are athletic, and I think their competition requires athletes, I do not think racing is a sport.

Two last thoughts to ponder, for all the die young crowd, explain Joe Weider? The definition of what GOOD steroid use can do.

Which is thought 2 properly used steroids, human growth hormone etc will actually improve health IN THE RIGHT DOSAGES....abused you get barry bonds and body builders.
 
Yeah, bodybuilding and strongmen comps are 2 diffrent sports, diffrent training, and yes bodybuilders are not as strong as they look, but for the record jay reps weight with is upper body that most people could not even squat 1 time. Look I just put the pics up in case someone on here might be interested in it at all, I guess I was wrong. (only say that because most of the posts are negative)
 
I'm glad you posted . I was wondering if he won the O again .
 
SkyHiK5 said:
For what its worth, yes some people can be that big without steroids, honestly they have cleaned it up a bit in the last few years. Go back to the mid 90s....look at Mr O then....you will see 350+ lb sub 6' common.
Now is Cut, yeah I am almost 100% sure because he spends a ton of time away from the gym.
Also dont forget there are different exercises for different results. Often times body builders are not nearly as strong as say a strong man competitor but look much more ripped.
I think they are athletic, and I think their competition requires athletes, I do not think racing is a sport.
Two last thoughts to ponder, for all the die young crowd, explain Joe Weider? The definition of what GOOD steroid use can do.
Which is thought 2 properly used steroids, human growth hormone etc will actually improve health IN THE RIGHT DOSAGES....abused you get barry bonds and body builders.
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hate to start a little argument but maybe you should go look at the Mr. O's from back in the days. up until ronnie coleman all of them were half the size of cutler or coleman.

and steriods haven't been cleaned up they have came out with better more improving doses. and you can't sit around and do nothing but you don't have to work as hard to see improvements. and if you do everything right and take the right stuff you can quit them and only lose maybe 10 lbs. and not have all the side effects like roid rage. its just so expensive for all the extras thats why no one does it.
 
central09er said:
hate to start a little argument but maybe you should go look at the Mr. O's from back in the days. up until ronnie coleman all of them were half the size of cutler or coleman.
and steriods haven't been cleaned up they have came out with better more improving doses. and you can't sit around and do nothing but you don't have to work as hard to see improvements. and if you do everything right and take the right stuff you can quit them and only lose maybe 10 lbs. and not have all the side effects like roid rage. its just so expensive for all the extras thats why no one does it.
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I know what you are saying about Cutler and Coleman being way bigger and I have already said steroids are better now than in the past, I just know were it would have went if I had pushed the issue. As far as not working as hard I have to disagree, yeah improvements come quicker but at the same time you are pushing harder and pushing more weight than if you were not own. My opinion do them right (don't overkill) and eat right, there not that bad, (my opinion stay away from orals, hardest on the liver)
 
Yates, Haney, Dickerson come to mind? HALF THE SIZE OF CUTLER???

You really need to see some Dorian Yates photos....

Was not trying to say that steroid have cleaned up, but that Mr O has taken a more negative stance on them, as public perception has turned their gaze towards their world.

We will have to agree to disagree with you perception of steroids. In my experience you have to work just as hard, only the chemicals allow you to recover faster and push harder. Quit and lose only 10lbs...gonna depend greatly on what you are on. Are you on a bulking hormone blend or a cutting blend. IMHO the best anabolics have been out of production since 1992, but I have been out of the gym since 99....and I will agree that you can acheive "steroid like" results on OTC supplements in extreme dosages, especially the pro anabolics and T pre cursors
 
mahaffey380 said:
My opinion do them right (don't overkill) and eat right, there not that bad, (my opinion stay away from orals, hardest on the liver)
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Agree 110%

Probably still carcinogenic, long term but isnt everything.

BTW thanks for the photos
 
I can't agree about the otc stuff giving U steroid results, but I do know all the stuff you see at GNC, you can get way cheaper online. The bodybuilders of the past are huge, but Jay and Coleman just seem to be on another level. The main problem with steroids now is that there is so much low dosed or fake stuff out there. You are right back in the day steroids seemed to be on the level, I think now it's such a fad thats were you get the low dosed and fake stuff from people looking for a quick buck. No problem on the photos, you ever get a chance to see Jay in person you should check it out pics do him no justice.
 
mahaffey380 said:
I can't agree about the otc stuff giving U steroid results, but I do know all the stuff you see at GNC, you can get way cheaper online.
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In 95-97 some guys I worked out with were experimenting with the andro variants(19n diol, 19nor 5 dione etc.) (before mark McGuire made them famous) and extreme dosages.

I think at the time the bottles suggested 1 tablt 2x/day...we were taking 4 pills 3x/day....amazing results all the way down to dark splotchy body hair growth, migraines, mini rages etc.

as always in the supplement world ymmv
 
I can't remember the name of the sup, but there was some tabs that people use to buy at gnc back in the day that was nothing but low dosed dbol, I know it got taken off the counter, but it was close to $80 a bottle, I remember some people saying that you could buy real dbol for cheaper. My opinion dbol is to dangerous and once you are off of it you lose almost all the gains. (from the guys I have seen own it)
 
I used some M1T and M5AA before it got pulled and trust me it worked.Dbol is used to kick start a cycle, it doesn't usually produce gains that you can keep by itself.Proper Post Cycle Therapy is the key to keeping any gains.Yates and Haney were big, but Haney competed around 240 and I think Yates may have been high 260's.The GNC supp you are talking about was probably Hot Stuff before they changed it.
 
Not a sport.
George Carlin had it nailed - anything that (a) you do to music or (b) requires judging for winning is not a sport.
Sorry.

That dosn't mean it's not cool and people don't work hard at it. Just not a sport.
 
I'm not defending the body building thing, cause its gross to me...BUT you just described rock crawling competitions. They are judged. But i guess thats a "motor" sport.
 
ncgamedog said:
I'm not defending the body building thing, cause its gross to me...BUT you just described rock crawling competitions. They are judged. But i guess thats a "motor" sport.
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You are correct, sir.
By Carlin rules... just crawling - not a sport. You're just trying to get somewhere and there's a big-ass rock in the way. :lol:
Rock racing, trail racing, KOH, ECORS... clear winners. Sport. :flipoff2:
 
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