Yea don't bother with it unless it's dirt cheap. I had a 2wd Joyner 650, and while it was kind of cool, a Razr or something is better. The BEST thing about the Joyner (at least the one I had) is it actually had a 5 speed transmission, I HATE the CVT crap on the UTV's, I'd much rather have a shifter and clutch pedal...