LCD/Plasma/LED

I used to do home theatre installations for Zobo TV here in Charlotte. Plasmas are garbage, when I was working there 4 yrs ago and plasma was new, they were $5k for a 45" Pioneer. You couldnt lay them flat, they were heavy, and you get image burn. LCD is the way to go. LED is good too, but its new technology so you will pay more.
 
For TV, we mostly just watch cable and some movies. We don't watch Blue Ray, never really needed to as we have been satisfied with standard DVDs...

We don't have digital cable, just standard cable with the typical 55 channels or so. We don't watch a ton of TV, but when we do, I want to have a decent TV, especially if we go with a bigger TV. We don't do any gaming, so we aren't interested in any benefits as related to that...
 
On another note, who buys cable TV? For me, I dont have cable. Direct TV kept going up in price and since I was locked in a contract they screwed me in the long run. Dish is just plain terrible. Comporium I had for about a week but didnt like its slow reaction time to channel surfing and terrible picture quality.

I saw at Best Buy they have this small converters that use your Wifi to get you over 300 TV channels at no monthly cost. You just buy the box for 99 bucks, plug n play. The remote is like the Wii so it comes preloaded with Angry Birds too.. I forget the name of it but has anyone ever used this?
 
When you go look at them, measure the distance you will be sitting from the sreen. When I was a manager. At Circuit City people looked at tv either way closer or long way off and the picture differs at distances.
 
good information guys!..i appreciate it..we're in the same boat and will be looking in the near future..

now i know what my parents went through when they bought us an ATARI 35 years ago!!..LOL
 
On another note, who buys cable TV? For me, I dont have cable. Direct TV kept going up in price and since I was locked in a contract they screwed me in the long run. Dish is just plain terrible. Comporium I had for about a week but didnt like its slow reaction time to channel surfing and terrible picture quality.
I saw at Best Buy they have this small converters that use your Wifi to get you over 300 TV channels at no monthly cost. You just buy the box for 99 bucks, plug n play. The remote is like the Wii so it comes preloaded with Angry Birds too.. I forget the name of it but has anyone ever used this?

You get the good stuff on it? Speed, discovery, etc...
 
Rob,

LCD is the way for you to go. If your not watching sports or playing games you don't benefit from from LED or Plasma. Aspect ratio and refresh rate generally won't affect your viewing experience in a cable T.V. setting. LED isn't clearer or "sharper" than LCD the back lighting is brighter giving the appearance of clarity. The processors are different in the TVs across the different technologies, so you can't compare the stats from one line to another. Also, Samsung is the only way to go in my opinion. Vizio and LG come in right after that, Sony next and everything else is pretty much garbage. Also look at what series the T.V. most stores carry are. The Samsung 4 series is usually all the box stores sell. All of my Samsungs are the higher 6 series but they do carry a 5 series as well. Components are much better quality in the higher lines.

Hope that helps Rob.
 
On another note, who buys cable TV? For me, I dont have cable. Direct TV kept going up in price and since I was locked in a contract they screwed me in the long run. Dish is just plain terrible. Comporium I had for about a week but didnt like its slow reaction time to channel surfing and terrible picture quality.
I saw at Best Buy they have this small converters that use your Wifi to get you over 300 TV channels at no monthly cost. You just buy the box for 99 bucks, plug n play. The remote is like the Wii so it comes preloaded with Angry Birds too.. I forget the name of it but has anyone ever used this?


I would also like to know about this. We just have basic cable (like 13 channels) and DSL. Never heard of what you are saying. We watch old stuff on Netflix and that is about it.
 
I took a pic of it in my phone broncosbybart, ill see if I can google more info.

rockcity - dont forget, the TV pic quality wont matter if you dont have something with good resolution hooked up to; IE - if you get basic cable on a 1080p TV it will look like garbage. So you will have to spend the xtra coin for HD TV!
 
Rob,

LCD is the way for you to go. If your not watching sports or playing games you don't benefit from from LED or Plasma. Aspect ratio and refresh rate generally won't affect your viewing experience in a cable T.V. setting. LED isn't clearer or "sharper" than LCD the back lighting is brighter giving the appearance of clarity. The processors are different in the TVs across the different technologies, so you can't compare the stats from one line to another. Also, Samsung is the only way to go in my opinion. Vizio and LG come in right after that, Sony next and everything else is pretty much garbage. Also look at what series the T.V. most stores carry are. The Samsung 4 series is usually all the box stores sell. All of my Samsungs are the higher 6 series but they do carry a 5 series as well. Components are much better quality in the higher lines.

Hope that helps Rob.

Samsung and Sony use the same panel. They co-own the factory where they're made. I don't know about current models, but for a while there, the processing in the Sonys was better than Samsung.

If you think the great thing about LED backlights is that they're brighter, your TV is set up incorrectly. The backlight on mine (non-LED) is only set to about 20% to get correct black levels in most all lighting conditions. There are at least two good things about LED: portions of the backlight can be turned off to get good, dark blacks, and some manufacturers are using multi-colored LED backlights to get color ranges that the typical LCD panel can't generate on its own.

The big downside I see with LED is that if a backlight goes out on a regular panel, you can replace it. LED on the other hand, is going to burn out diode by diode, and I'm not sure how serviceable that is.

That said, I think 90% of consumers can't tell the difference. If you're asking questions in this thread about what kind of TV to buy, it's safe to say that you're not going to notice Samsung's rendering glitches or Sony's uneven backlights or that Vizio is basically just an assembly company that buys everybody else's parts and solders them together.

Perfect example... my neighbor was happy as hell with her new TV. Brought me over to show me how great the picture was. She was watching 4:3 SD stretched to fit. She couldn't have been happier.
 
Oh, the other thing about the Energy Star rating -- it's based on "Standby" power consumption. It's not a measure of how much the TV is using when running (which can be 300W or so).
 
She was watching 4:3 SD stretched to fit. She couldn't have been happier.

Wow that mustve been terrible quality! Why was she using that aspect ratio?
 
Wow that mustve been terrible quality! Why was she using that aspect ratio?

I've seen people do this too, I can't understand it either, it almost gives me a headache. I think they want to get rid of the black bars on the side, umm alrighty then :lol:
and I am no techno guru, I bet I'm guilty of all those other things Shawn mentioned.
 
My uncle uses this aspect ratio too. I was like "When did Gretchen Wilson get so fat?"
 
This thread makes my head hurt...


Edit: Shawn in this thread makes my head hurt... :lol:

After all that useful info, I still have no idea what to look for... :(
 
Shawn,

I responded without being too technical. I think Rob just wants to know what's best for his situation. If you enjoy a "richer" picture for your personal viewing Plasma is actually the way to go for several reasons. The type of viewing he will do leads me to believe the picture, and easier tunability and maint. of an LCD would be the best bet. Samsung pioneered the new generation of boards from my understanding so until a new line of processors comes out they will be on top. LEDs scare me for the same reason, I doubt each individual diode will be able to be serviced individually.

The size of the TV also matters, anything over 46" is designed and manufactured differently. When I was researching LEDs for my salt water fish tank lighting I took a lot of time looking at drivers etc. One thing i'm not familiar with are how the LEDs are linked together from one manufacturer to another.
 
Wow that mustve been terrible quality! Why was she using that aspect ratio?

It was connected to a cable box with composite. It was widescreen, so she thought that was "HD". Just didn't know any different.

Shawn,
I responded without being too technical. I think Rob just wants to know what's best for his situation. If you enjoy a "richer" picture for your personal viewing Plasma is actually the way to go for several reasons. The type of viewing he will do leads me to believe the picture, and easier tunability and maint. of an LCD would be the best bet. Samsung pioneered the new generation of boards from my understanding so until a new line of processors comes out they will be on top. LEDs scare me for the same reason, I doubt each individual diode will be able to be serviced individually.

Right, which is kinda what I was getting at when I said that 90% of people don't know the difference. So figure out how much you want to spend, how big of a screen you'd like to have, then see what name-brand stuff is in that range and has good objective reviews.

I mean, it's 2011, and the guy is asking his 4x4 buddies what he should buy to replace his CRT. :flipoff2:

You basically only have two types: Plasma and LCD. LCD has three sub-types: cold cathode fluorescent backlit, LED edge lit, and LED backlit (with localized dimming capability). The age of the tech and the cost basically goes in that order, too. Plasma is the oldest and cheapest, then LCD. Once you decide how big of a panel you want, you'll probably find (especially in the +50" range) that the plasmas are much more competitively priced than the LCDs are.

(Side note, your computer monitor is an LCD)

Plasmas have good picture quality, but they gradually wear out (over a ~10yr span). They also generate a lot of heat. Figure a plasma will consume 200-300w more energy than a comparable LCD. Of the best-rated panels for picture quality, they're nearly all plasmas (with a couple of Sony LCDs thrown in). Part of that is because of the way a plasma works -- the panel is made up of thousands of individual pixels that can be turned on and off individually. So you get great blacks (because those parts of the screen are just "off").

LCD is more energy efficient (figure 100-150W for a big panel vs 350-500W for Plasma), doesn't suffer from age degradation, and doesn't suffer from burn-in. The CCFL tubes will burn out over time (again, 5-10yr lifespan), but are replaceable.

If you're playing video games or watching sports or news, LCD is the way to go. Anything that stays up on the screen long-term (like ESPN's ticker) will burn in on a plasma and remain there as a ghost. It takes a while for this to happen (think days/weeks), and newer models are better about it, but it can happen. You can burn over the entire screen to erase the ghosting, but it decreases the lifespan of the plasma when you do that.

As far as LED goes, most of your cheap LEDs (anything under $2500) is edge-lit. That means the LEDs are around the outside of the screen and make the whole panel glow evenly. This is no different in function from a CCFL backlight. The only problem is that you don't get good, dark blacks. You might get better longevity... but I'm not convinced. With LED lights in buildings, we're still only seeing 7-10 year lifespans, and those numbers are often based on percentages of dead diodes. You might have to have 30-50% of the diodes burned out before the lamp is deemed "dead".

Hmm... this is getting long, so I'll make a quick mention about brands and features.

Lots of companies are offering some built-in internet connectivity in the TV. Basically, plug an ethernet connection into the TV, and it'll get on the internet and play Hulu or Netflix or something. The quality of these offerings varies WIDELY, and I'd highly suggest reading some reviews on any particular manufacturer's system before using that as a deciding factor.

Make sure the TV has at least 3 HDMI ports. More is better. Figure cable box, xbox/ps3, receiver, camcorder, your cell phone, etc... all use HDMI. If you have any old components you'd like to keep (DVD players, receivers, etc), make sure that the TV has enough inputs of the right type to accommodate those other things. You'll want to have component-in jacks (Y/Pb/Pr) for the DVD, composite for your N64, etc.

Stick to Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, LG, Vizio... maybe a few others. I'm partial to Sony, but I was raised that way. :lol: Dad's worked in broadcast TV for about 35 years. They buy hundreds of panels a year, all different brands. But any screens "that matter" are Sonys.
 
Also... I'm betting you've hot a decent sized family room....12x12' or bigger. Stick with 46" or bigger. If you decide to splurge on a 3D TV, get the biggest you can afford. Scratch that... cash out the girl's college accounts and get something bigger than you can afford. 3D only works well at 55" or bigger.
 
It was connected to a cable box with composite. It was widescreen, so she thought that was "HD". Just didn't know any different.
Right, which is kinda what I was getting at when I said that 90% of people don't know the difference. So figure out how much you want to spend, how big of a screen you'd like to have, then see what name-brand stuff is in that range and has good objective reviews.
I mean, it's 2011, and the guy is asking his 4x4 buddies what he should buy to replace his CRT. :flipoff2:
You basically only have two types: Plasma and LCD. LCD has three sub-types: cold cathode fluorescent backlit, LED edge lit, and LED backlit (with localized dimming capability). The age of the tech and the cost basically goes in that order, too. Plasma is the oldest and cheapest, then LCD. Once you decide how big of a panel you want, you'll probably find (especially in the +50" range) that the plasmas are much more competitively priced than the LCDs are.
(Side note, your computer monitor is an LCD)
Plasmas have good picture quality, but they gradually wear out (over a ~10yr span). They also generate a lot of heat. Figure a plasma will consume 200-300w more energy than a comparable LCD. Of the best-rated panels for picture quality, they're nearly all plasmas (with a couple of Sony LCDs thrown in). Part of that is because of the way a plasma works -- the panel is made up of thousands of individual pixels that can be turned on and off individually. So you get great blacks (because those parts of the screen are just "off").
LCD is more energy efficient (figure 100-150W for a big panel vs 350-500W for Plasma), doesn't suffer from age degradation, and doesn't suffer from burn-in. The CCFL tubes will burn out over time (again, 5-10yr lifespan), but are replaceable.
If you're playing video games or watching sports or news, LCD is the way to go. Anything that stays up on the screen long-term (like ESPN's ticker) will burn in on a plasma and remain there as a ghost. It takes a while for this to happen (think days/weeks), and newer models are better about it, but it can happen. You can burn over the entire screen to erase the ghosting, but it decreases the lifespan of the plasma when you do that.
As far as LED goes, most of your cheap LEDs (anything under $2500) is edge-lit. That means the LEDs are around the outside of the screen and make the whole panel glow evenly. This is no different in function from a CCFL backlight. The only problem is that you don't get good, dark blacks. You might get better longevity... but I'm not convinced. With LED lights in buildings, we're still only seeing 7-10 year lifespans, and those numbers are often based on percentages of dead diodes. You might have to have 30-50% of the diodes burned out before the lamp is deemed "dead".
Hmm... this is getting long, so I'll make a quick mention about brands and features.
Lots of companies are offering some built-in internet connectivity in the TV. Basically, plug an ethernet connection into the TV, and it'll get on the internet and play Hulu or Netflix or something. The quality of these offerings varies WIDELY, and I'd highly suggest reading some reviews on any particular manufacturer's system before using that as a deciding factor.
Make sure the TV has at least 3 HDMI ports. More is better. Figure cable box, xbox/ps3, receiver, camcorder, your cell phone, etc... all use HDMI. If you have any old components you'd like to keep (DVD players, receivers, etc), make sure that the TV has enough inputs of the right type to accommodate those other things. You'll want to have component-in jacks (Y/Pb/Pr) for the DVD, composite for your N64, etc.
Stick to Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, LG, Vizio... maybe a few others. I'm partial to Sony, but I was raised that way. :lol: Dad's worked in broadcast TV for about 35 years. They buy hundreds of panels a year, all different brands. But any screens "that matter" are Sonys.


That's interesting that you mention to look for at least 3 HDMI ports. Seems to be a big paradigm shift from a couple years ago when everything went through your Sound system tuner and the TV was just a "monitor" more or less. Sounds like now the TV is back to being the central hub and the rest of the stuff is just a component feeding it sort of like the old days of console TV's.
 
I can see people having different opinions on that, but I don't want to turn on the receiver just to use it as a switcher... I'd rather just feed it the audio and turn it on when I want surround sound. There's also the potential for a lot more HDMI-equipped stuff (cell phones, camcorders, etc) that come and go... in which case you want somewhere to plug them into the tv.

Kinda depends on your use, though.

Edit: I also don't want to drop a bunch of coin on a TV and then depend on the receiver to upconvert the video.
 
One note on connections - IF you have an older (like > 1-2 years) laptop and might want to plug it into the TV, be sure the TV has a VGA port. Blue 15-pin.
 
A few things to add, that Shawn hasn't nailed yet. I can tell you without qustion that optical appearance varies greatly person to person, when we were installing home theaters it was amazing how personal the preference was between LCD/plasma. SOme people's eyes are more sensitive to black levels (Plasma will always edge out the highest end LCDs here) while others are more sensitive to white/bright levels (LCD preferred).

Shawn if you are experiencing burn in, you have either A a uber cheap plasma or one that is more than 4 years old. Th newe tech makes it virtually unpossible. If you decide to buy a plasma, there are only two companies to consider Panasonic and Pioneer every other plasma maker out there is hot garbage internally. Plasma has cleaner transitions and smoother "blur" sports look better imho on a plasma.

Everything other than sports, LCD. Plasma will have a slight audible hum that drives some nuts. LCD is cheaper to mass produce and easier to handle and will be here to stay...but plasma isn't going to disappear either.

Finally resolution...talk about the great marketing lie...before you spend 5 seconds worrying about resolution determine size and viewing distance. If you are looking for a 42" class unless you will be sitting ~5' from the TV your eye is not capable of discerning the difference between 720 and 1080...you reach the resolution threshold of the retina. Now if you are looking at 60" or larger or plan to sit on top of a 42 then yeah mak absolute sure you have a 1080....heck you will be had pressed t find anything 720 these days anyway I assume but a few years ago the bst eals running were on some 42 720 sets...dont even get me started on the 22" LCD 1080 ridculousness....this chart is close but there are much better ones I just dont have bookmarked on this computer.

http://hd.engadget.com/2006/12/09/1080p-charted-viewing-distance-to-screen-size/

Costco has a 60" panny plasma for 899...thats a deal right now, and costco gives a 5 year warranty in home.

All this aside, for optimal picture quality you need to spend as much on an in home TV calibration as you do on the TV to maximize performance.
 
Shawn if you are experiencing burn in, you have either A a uber cheap plasma or one that is more than 4 years old. Th newe tech makes it virtually unpossible.

Not me, I've got an XBR.
 
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