Looks like the circus will be in town.

I'm all for honoring history and not forgetting the spirit of rebellion - but it is very strange for this to be done in the one county that was so very ardent against the rebellion in the first place. The flag never flew over that courthouse.
If you're going to honor the past, honor it correctly...

Will be a shit show for sure.
 
I understand how some people feel that the flag is offensive. I can see how others don't. While South Carolina's representative government was trying to do something symbolic as an olive branch by removing the flag from the grounds, I feel it was interpreted as a sign of weakness and has eroded into an all-out war on the Confederate flag and everything that was Dixie, Confederate, Southern, "Rebel" or what-not.

Here's what I don't get.....


So somehow the Confederate flag has been adopted by hate groups as their symbol of white supremacy, racial hatred, etc. On the other side of the coin, we have a rainbow flag that is now adopted by LGBT groups as a symbol of their acceptance, pride, what-have-you. Growing up, my mom always loved rainbows. She would buy just about anything that had a rainbow on it. In the 70's, she had rainbow flags in the yard because she liked them. They didn't stand for anything. Now, if you have a rainbow flag in your yard, or a rainbow icon on your Facebook, or whatever it apparently HAS to mean that you are LGBT. So, by this logic, if I believe that the Confederate Flag is a symbol of racist hatred and you have a Confederate flag on your car, you MUST be a hateful racist.

Can't stuff just be there? Does everything HAVE to mean something symbolic?

To me, regardless of the flag's individual meaning (State's rights, slavery, white power, hatred, etc.), the one constant that all symbols of the Confederacy share is that of "You (the North or any other occupying force) are not going to tell ME what to do or how to do it."
 
Yeah Ive been told/heard GC was pro union and while I have no proof otherwise I find it hard to believe.My son wants to be a history teacher and although this might or might not be of any historical significance,were gonna go and check things out.Go-pro is charging now.
 
1-tonmudder said:
Yeah Ive been told/heard GC was pro union and while I have no proof otherwise I find it hard to believe.
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Um - it talks about it in the article you linked...
Andrew Jackson was from Greene County.
 
U mean Andrew Johnson and seeing as he was Lincolns VP he was obviously union but that dont necessarily mean everyone else was Union also.
 
Being from the area and just going from 8'th grade history class and a quick google rehearsal glance, Greene County was the heart of "The State of Franklin". Although a very complicated matter, the SOF intentions were to become the 14'th state of the Union. And the local government involved were pro-Union.

On the other hand, just by observations on my last few trips to the area, the confederate flag is accepted in large numbers and displayed in public everywhere you turn your head.

Now my personal opinion: Is that it's just a local rebellious action in reflex from the previous events and directly related to the very reason we fight EVERY war... "Freedom". And it's said that "for every action, there's an opposite and equal RE-action". You try to take guns, the country boys stock up. You tell them not to fly a certain flag and you see it displayed everywhere. And I mean EVERYWHERE! You can't drive 10 miles in any direction up there in that area right now without seeing the display of the confederate flag.

Now back in the 90's when I lived up there, that kind of display was unheard of. But it wasn't an issue either. My last trip about a month ago, I saw it posted on fence lines, barns, truck beds and you name it. That area isn't necessarily pro anything besides standing their ground to hold onto every right they ever had.

Now just don't go telling them they can't fly the gay rainbow!:eek:
 
Don't forget the stance (then or now) of the elected officials isn't necessarily the stance of the constituents...
 
With all the riots, taking down flags, putting up flags, hatred towards blacks, hatred towards whites....I think i will just move to Texas. Seems like the folk in Texas do their own thing and don't put up with much bullshit
 
ManglerYJ said:
I understand how some people feel that the flag is offensive. I can see how others don't. While South Carolina's representative government was trying to do something symbolic as an olive branch by removing the flag from the grounds, I feel it was interpreted as a sign of weakness and has eroded into an all-out war on the Confederate flag and everything that was Dixie, Confederate, Southern, "Rebel" or what-not.

Here's what I don't get.....


So somehow the Confederate flag has been adopted by hate groups as their symbol of white supremacy, racial hatred, etc. On the other side of the coin, we have a rainbow flag that is now adopted by LGBT groups as a symbol of their acceptance, pride, what-have-you. Growing up, my mom always loved rainbows. She would buy just about anything that had a rainbow on it. In the 70's, she had rainbow flags in the yard because she liked them. They didn't stand for anything. Now, if you have a rainbow flag in your yard, or a rainbow icon on your Facebook, or whatever it apparently HAS to mean that you are LGBT. So, by this logic, if I believe that the Confederate Flag is a symbol of racist hatred and you have a Confederate flag on your car, you MUST be a hateful racist.

Can't stuff just be there? Does everything HAVE to mean something symbolic?

To me, regardless of the flag's individual meaning (State's rights, slavery, white power, hatred, etc.), the one constant that all symbols of the Confederacy share is that of "You (the North or any other occupying force) are not going to tell ME what to do or how to do it."
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That's why the war was fought. The federal government telling thr states what to do. You think all those southern soldiers owned slaves? Slaves were expensive and for the most part the southern army was dirt poor. They fought for thr right to tel the federal government to fuck off. The flag means southern pride and American history to me.
 
6BangBronk said:
"Overwhelmingly"
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Yeah like 20-1.Its just as well cause Im sure that within a week the ACLU or NAACP would have filed a suit against the county and I'd imagine some voted against it for that reason or to head off any future problems.We went by about 5:20 and the crowd was calm and kinda small so we didn't go back thru but according to facebook they closed the street off and thing got pretty heated before it was over.
 
1-tonmudder said:
Yeah like 20-1.Its just as well cause Im sure that within a week the ACLU or NAACP would have filed a suit against the county and I'd imagine some voted against it for that reason or to head off any future problems.We went by about 5:20 and the crowd was calm and kinda small so we didn't go back thru but according to facebook they closed the street off and thing got pretty heated before it was over.
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"Confederate flag" and "things got pretty heated" seem to fall in the same sentence a lot. As bad as I'm all about freedom and rights, I still think people just need to let this one go... You can't win this one. And better be glad we can still fly a CF from a truck bed if we wish...
 
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