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[RatLabGuy]

4. How does one get convicted in May, but not sentenced until September? Yet another example of the massive inefficiency of it all.

This is pretty typical court proceeding. you have the trial for guilt, and a separate proceeding to determine the sentencing.
There's a backlog for both.
Don't like that? Pay more to hire more judges & so the judiciary isn't a bare bones system and can get through the caseload quickly.

 

[RatLabGuy]

I think most of these jobs don't need to be done by the federal government. Remember what the three affected agencies were?
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DHS
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... so we don't need... immigration enforcement?
Gotcha.

 

[jeepinmatt]

This is pretty typical court proceeding. you have the trial for guilt, and a separate proceeding to determine the sentencing.
There's a backlog for both.
Don't like that? Pay more to hire more judges & so the judiciary isn't a bare bones system and can get through the caseload quickly.

Hiring more inefficiency does not produce better results.

 

[jeepinmatt]

... so we don't need... immigration enforcement?
Gotcha.

I heard we haven't had any for most of the last 2 decades anyway, and you told me immigrants are better than the average american anyway, so come on in, the waters fine!

 

[RatLabGuy]

Hiring more inefficiency does not produce better results.

it does when the "inefficiency" comes from not having enough people.
The only way to make trials happen faster is to have more of them, and that can only happen with more people to carry out the process. This is pretty simple math.
(aside from the minimum time needed to prepare for a trial, no way to get around that)

 

[mbalbritton]

it does when the "inefficiency" comes from not having enough people.
The only way to make trials happen faster is to have more of them, and that can only happen with more people to carry out the process. This is pretty simple math.
(aside from the minimum time needed to prepare for a trial, no way to get around that)

work faster

 

[jeepinmatt]

it does when the "inefficiency" comes from not having enough people.

That's not inefficiency, that's insufficiency.

The only way to make trials happen faster is to have more of them,

This is apparently where we wholeheartedly disagree. The amount of administrative bloat and waste is ridiculous. So many things could be executed more efficiently if there was less bureaucracy.

 

[RatLabGuy]

That's not inefficiency, that's insufficiency.

That was your term, not mine.

This is apparently where we wholeheartedly disagree. The amount of administrative bloat and waste is ridiculous. So many things could be executed more efficiently if there was less bureaucracy.

I would love to hear where you think, in this specific example, we could have more trials more often without having more judges or staff.

 

[zuke]

I would love to hear where you think, in this specific example, we could have more trials more often without having more judges or staff.

Sentencing, this is a perfect opportunity for AI, if a LLM is given access to the last 30 years of sentencing and trial transcripts, along with current sentencing guidelines, and the results are passed on to a judge for review, they could knock out 40 or 50 sentencing hearings a day

 

[skyhighZJ]

That was your term, not mine.

I would love to hear where you think, in this specific example, we could have more trials more often without having more judges or staff.

Court rules would make a huge difference in efficiency. Not to get into specifics but being traveled means I’ve seent the inside of some different court rooms. Different states, different rules. NC is one of the most disorganized, lax, crap shows I’ve ever seen inside a courtroom. People showing up late, court officials chasing their ass, improper paperwork, language barriers (not even going down that rabbit hole). Bringing their chitlins to court. Other places I’ve been the rules and process (progress) are so much more stringent (refined) it makes NC (at least Moore, hoke, Cumberland, Lee, Richmond counties look like a third world kangaroo court). Show up and don’t be prepared. Jail. Show up and disturb the court. Jail. Show up and not have your ducks in a row. Try again, get out, come back with an attorney to save your ass. Yes it’s a couple of minutes here and there but it all adds up. Also, they act like union workers. Recess this recess that. Like the cliche sticker in a hot road says. Get in, hold on, and shut up.

 

[mommucked]

1.1 million gallon sewage spill near Raleigh's Brier Creek area will take days to clean up

Raleigh water crews responded to a sewage spill near the Brier Creek area on Wednesday.

www.wral.com

 

[RatLabGuy]

Sentencing, this is a perfect opportunity for AI, if a LLM is given access to the last 30 years of sentencing and trail transcripts, along with current sentencing guidelines, and the results are passed on to a judge for review, they could knock out 40 or 50 sentencing hearings a day

If you're passing it to a judge anyway then what's the AI buying you?
You still need the humans for the prosecution and defense arguments. Thats the part that takes time and people.

 

[benXJ]

The firing squad is super efficient

 

[jeepinmatt]

I would love to hear where you think, in this specific example, we could have more trials more often without having more judges or staff.

I'm speaking in general, not to this specific example, as I am not intimately familiar with the process and procedures of the federal court system. But in this specific example, if we did not have an IRS and did not have an EEOC and did not have a DHS (at least not as the massive overreaching organization that it is, over a QUARTER MILLION EMPLOYEES), then this case would have never existed, freeing up room for other things.

But since that's not what you're asking...this was a clear cut, documented instance, with cause, intent, and solid evidence. Still took 14 months to try and convict. 14 MONTHS. A half decent woman can find a man, fall in love, get married, get pregnant, grow a baby, birth a baby, heal up, and get pregnant again in that time. But a couple teams of hotshot lawyers can’t put together a case that’s been handed to them on a silver platter by the FBI? Plus another 5-6 months for sentencing. Damn near 2 years. And if such cases take this long, there’s a problem with the system. More staff won’t fix it. Less hurdles, less red tape, less non-productive procedure is what is needed. Like I said above, I’m not an expert on the topic, but I’ve been to the DMV enough times, and had enough tickets to have plenty of opportunities to deal with the local courts, and dealt with enough federal organizations and procedures through the years to know that there is significant room for improvement. But it takes a mindset and culture change.

If you think there are reasons, in this specific example, that things were handled in an efficient and effective fashion, I'd love to hear them.

That was your term, not mine.

Correct, I think it is inefficiency, whereas you think it is a result of insufficient staffing. You think the government is too small, I think the government is too big. We've argued this plenty of times on here before and I don't expect either of us to relent or change positions.

 

[zuke]

If you're passing it to a judge anyway then what's the AI buying you?
You still need the humans for the prosecution and defense arguments. Thats the part that takes time and people.

The Judge wouldn't have to worry about researching standard sentencing, he wouldn't have to look for previous cases where a sentence was set aside for an asinine reason, the judge should be able to review the AI recommendations in a couple of minutes.

We're talking about sentencing, not a jury trial, The only reason for arguments is if the sentence doesn't make sense, which shouldn't be a problem if the above was done, Which again, should have taken just a few minutes of an actual human's time.

Do I think it will work? Yes, I think a lot more hearings could be pumped through this way, of course there would still be some that drug on, but far fewer is my guess.